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stars and work for with with Bigelow and

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others and so they're coupled up and

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what they're doing is they want to

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analyze mature old that is possibly from

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you know UFOs essentially yeah and there

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are a kind of a project for doing that

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and it's this atom project so now

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they're open for business essentially I

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think they got a lot of questions so

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saying okay here's some answers to the

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questions such as how do we submit stuff

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what are you looking for

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what is your the criteria that you meet

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and stuff like that so yeah so it's

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really interesting they want to analyze

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stuff now of course there is a meta

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material or alleged meta material that

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they have that you know we haven't heard

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a whole lot about in the New York Times

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article in December that broke the whole

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story about the the government project

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they talked about Bigelow even having to

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modify some buildings for some material

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that they have and we've heard a little

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ago and coast to coast I am and you were

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there for MUFON do you know did he talk

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about this at all with the you were with

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with MUFON no no I didn't hear about it

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they're still very tight-lipped about

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this material so hopefully we'll find

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out more according to Tom DeLonge on

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social media he says that they're going

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to be releasing some exciting news

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related to this project so I'm hoping

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that it has something to do with these

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materials but to be honest it's a

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concern for me I don't know I would be

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hesitant to submit anything to their

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project currently to be honest because

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they haven't released any information

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about the materials they have and they

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do say

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and I'm gonna look this up sorry see the

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top of my head

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that's natural hair there no hair loss

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which is nice but here's the phrase that

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TTS Academy allows also owns any

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analysis and media coverage of the

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material so that's one of the things

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that I would be curious about are they

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asking people to sign a nondisclosure if

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so you know what are their timelines are

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and their procedures around releasing

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information what if they don't release

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information when it came to Bigelow

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information about materials they looked

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at in the past few years I mean I would

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be worried about handing over you know

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complete control over communicating

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about your materials to the public and I

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don't think they should be asking that I

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think they need to modify and clarify a

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little bit there what they mean by that

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and and maybe even put in some steps

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here's what we would do if we found

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something you know we have you know an a

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commitment to sharing this information

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with the public so you know making sure

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they're they're saying they will share

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it because if they're just gonna hoard

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it and keep it to themselves like other

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scientific organizations for instance

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naik and not nightcap I can't remember

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the the one that another scientific

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organization that was looking at pilot

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cases they really yeah

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they really didn't have a commitment to

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releasing stuff to the public so they

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rarely did and in fact you know for

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years in fact their last report was

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they're there I know Richard Haines the

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leap scientist retired and I think

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Tedrow runs it now and I'm not sure if

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they're still you know actively doing

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anything but that would be the concern

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often science types and I know this

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working with scientists and even working

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concerned of

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releasing information to the public and

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you know to the stars not releasing very

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much information to the public in fact a

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lot of people and the UFO field are

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frustrated about that so I think that's

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an issue they're gonna need to address

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more thoroughly before even I would feel

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comfortable handing anything over to

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them not that I have anything but I do

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know of a couple people who have stuff

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that may be interesting so yeah do you

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have you you personally know some of the

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people there I'm wondering can you start

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that conversation well I'm going to

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attempt to um because as I write this

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story you know as a journalist and for

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those who aren't aware you know you when

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you write you need to be as unbiased as

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possible and as thorough as possible and

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bring up any you know issues and that's

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something that I always attempt to do

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and so this is an issue that I've raised

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but this is a problem and this kind of

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even speaks to that problem is even as

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you know someone who's close to a lot of

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those guys they don't have really a

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mechanism they don't have a PR person or

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someone directly to go to so it's

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difficult to get answers and I'm not

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even sure I make it a communication from

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someone off the record but as far as

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writing a story about this that doesn't

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help me and it doesn't help them because

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knowledge I know publicly here are some

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concerns that I think need to be

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addressed and even if I know off the

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record you know there are assurances I

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think you know it's a it's a perfect

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example of where you know public

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relations is important because you need

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to say some of this stuff on the record

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at least in a way that gives some people

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assurances and

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the UFO community are the people that

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would have this material who would know

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of this material to submit so I think if

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you're going to then you have to have

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some kind of address their concerns and

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about a lack of flow of information and

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and so that it's something that has to

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be addressed publicly and so hopefully

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that will happen they do have some more

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information coming out and I know that

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they and I know personally that they do

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have a lot of really cool things going

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on that we will find out about but that

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are also advancing the field so I know

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they're up to some very important work

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but you know if they really want to kind

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of grease the wheels and make all of

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this happen I think that a little bit of

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some some arm hugs to the community will

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work and doing things like going and

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talking to MUFON will help I guess my

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question to you would be what was the

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sense that you got how did people you

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know feel about elizondo's talk there

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you know some there were a few people

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that I talked to that you know felt like

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the whole thing was like groundbreaking

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and then there was a number of people

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that said there was no real reveal you

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believe the most of the thing that hit

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gonna be a whole different world that I

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don't know exactly what that insinuates

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but it sounded that they have some more

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things to reveal that are yeah you know

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and that's the thing go ahead know and I

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think you know transparency is going to

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be you know would be more you know it

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help them be more successful than you

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know being so holding it so tight to the

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you know so yeah I do I hope they do

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a little bit and you know it's hard to

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translate statements like that to wood

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especially when and I think that that's

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part of some of the feedback I've heard

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which is unfortunate I think when it

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someone says oh we're gonna have some

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really great information for you some

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people in this field could take that to

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mean oh we're finally gonna reveal that

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Roswell was you know a craft that is in

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Bigelow's hangar or something like this

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and that's really what some people are

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expecting to Elizondo in the group

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they're like what they couldn't imagine

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nobody's thinking that that that's wild

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that's crazy

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but no that's what people are thinking

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in this field where and so I think you

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when you say something amazing is coming

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you've got to kind of give it a little

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more context so that people don't set

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expectations that are you know just way

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way out of out of line and then are

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extremely disappointed when when

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something doesn't come I'm along the

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people the line of people who that's a

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historic event this is a guy MUFON has

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probably had and for decades they have

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not had someone part of an official

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government program especially a secret

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when come and talk to them never has

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that ever happened in the history of

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ufology or especially for a move on and

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so it definitely was a historic thing so

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the other issue with that perspective of

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you know things are going to be

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different in a year they're different

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right now right now this conversation is

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completely different when news outlets

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like the Washington Post and others are

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saying that you know UFOs are now as

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serious credible topic that is

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completely different than November then

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just before the New York Times article

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came out so things are already

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completely different you know how much

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more different than they get yeah along

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those lines

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Calvin Parker's a Pascagoula story is

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actually getting a lot of press because

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people are

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my third starting to take these things

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serious and now there you know there's

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an eye on it right now and he's had I'm

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gonna talk to him but I know he's had at

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least two or three television

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appearances since his book was released

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so yeah it's exciting you know I know

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that the Wendell Stevens book was

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reprinted by Philip mantel and then I

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know Philip worked to get this new book

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with Kelvin to get this new book out and

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it is extremely exciting because this is

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a great case and you're right this is a

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great example because there's been a lot

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of serious press about this case and

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it's been great to see and that wouldn't

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be the case if we weren't in a different

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world regarding this topic right now so

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when you say something like oh it's

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gonna be a different year in a in a year

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it's like what does that mean it's

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already completely different yeah are we

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gonna be jumping around with aliens I

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mean in this you know some context would

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help and I definitely am sharing that

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feedback great okay hey well we've been

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a little bit long and so thanks so much

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Alejandro and we'll we'll talk to you

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next week right thank you and yeah look

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for my story on this it open minds TV

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and right then the next day or two

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excellent all right hey thanks a lot

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thank you oh yeah talk to you soon

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all right everyone so now to our guests

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we have Calvin Parker and again like I

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mentioned he was actually on I can't

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remember the date he was on but anyway

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he's a fine gentleman I'm really looking

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forward to talking to them and Calvin

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welcome to the show well thank you good

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to be back yeah now you up it's great I

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have you on video and everything this is

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this is really great

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so hey Calvin you lot just to let the

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audience know you you're having major

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thunderstorms down there and you lost

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electricity just before we went on the

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air and hopefully that won't happen

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again right now we got a date I did and

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they kind of passed by a little bit now

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but

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calming go down here in the south that's

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right Calvin this is really great having

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you on and and it's a totally my

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pleasure can you can you kind of give an

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overall we have to go to break in about

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six minutes but I'd like for the person

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that's never heard anything about the

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Pascagoula abduction incident to just

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tell the story if you think you can

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within six minutes or so okay

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well this happened October 11th of 1973

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a friend of mine Charles Hickson and I

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had got off work at the shipyard who we

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was working and decided to go fishing we

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went to there was two locations was

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going to that the first one was the

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grain elevator and then oh shall Peter

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shipyard so when we got to the shipyard

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we had to walk through a bunch of debris

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and mess it was just a mess getting down

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to where we was gonna fish so long we

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finally struggled and got down started

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doing her fish and sitting and we mostly

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just relaxed and and I've seen some

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lines out across the water but they was

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coming from behind us it was blue lights

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just like the patrol cars used here so I

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told Charlie I said you know we parked

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up on private property they're gonna

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make us move even though it's a damn

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mess ordering mess they gonna make us

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move move a car we have to walk back

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through this stuff so he stood up and I

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stood up and turn around and look and it

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was more than blue lights there but that

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time Charlie stood up and one of the

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brightest lights I believe I've ever

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seen coming from a combined area it just

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appeared it was so it's hard to describe

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like a welder welding and that was the

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door on the craft I assume that was the

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door opening up and the lies from inside

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the craft just opened up well when it

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opened up there was three creatures or I

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call them creatures floated out they

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didn't touch the ground they didn't seem

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to walk or anything

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they floated a hoovered about two foot

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off the ground two of them got ahold of

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Charlie one of them got ahold of me and

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immediately when they got ahold of me I

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felt relaxed because I feel like they

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gave me some kind of injection to relax

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me because before that before they got

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there I know I was trying to find a

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place to get out of there I was gonna

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run somewhere but it was nowhere to run

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I had water in the front water on the

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side and big spacecraft in the bag so we

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was kind of here but just one you know

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the spacecraft it didn't it wasn't over

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the water was behind you yes sir

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I see it was just blocked off from going

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anywhere really well it was blocked off

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it was probably 300 foot back a length

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of a football field behind us and it was

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a lot of trash and debris and marsh

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grass I don't know of anybody can relate

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to the marsh grass without being down

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here so we was blocked that was water on

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both side and it was junk in the water

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on the left and oh ship yard junk and

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the water on the right and a river in

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the front of us so well

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yeah it was nowhere to go but once once

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they got ahold of my arm

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it just relaxed me I feel like they gave

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me an injection and later in the

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physical that they gave us at the

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hospital

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they found a puncher markoma on but uh I

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don't know if they they did blood work

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you know but I don't know whatever come

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of that they never say it really well so

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anyhow this one got ahold of me and it I

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couldn't see Charlie no more after that

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because it grabbed me and kind of forced

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me when it touched me I just more or

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less floated up to the elevation it was

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about two foot off the ground and we

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glided into the craft and again I was

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hunting lights or something I couldn't

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turn my head but I was looking in the

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craft you couldn't see no light bulbs in

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there the light was just coming out of

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the wall you know I don't know why the

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lights had to be that bright but they

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were

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so when they took us aboard the craft we

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made kind of a left turn and then like a

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right turn and this one being or

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creature or soldier and I call him or

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Lester soldier took me in and prop me on

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what I thought was a table but I

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couldn't feel one under me and I was at

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about a 45-degree angle so while I was

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at this angle there's something that

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come out of the wall about the size of a

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deck of cards and it had a silver top

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looking in a blue bottom and then just

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got to my head that circled around my

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head and every time it would get to

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about a quarter of way it would click it

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clicked four times and then it just went

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right back up into the wall and then the

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old big ugly creature just got up and

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left I mean he went out the door he came

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in we have I don't know where he went

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and this more feminine-looking no

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creature I called it a woman but I'm not

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for sure if it's a woman or a man or

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what hey it was just smaller and I was

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thinking to myself you know I ought to

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be able to take this one and get out of

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here because I was ready to go but I

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couldn't move I mean she was or it was

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completely safe because come over to me

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it took took her fingers and probe

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ground on my face and all a little bit

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and move my skin looked at my eyeballs

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and things you know kind of similar like

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that more or less like a physical exam

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and then she just went back and I

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couldn't really see if she went in the

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door or what happened and more or less

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disappeared and that's when the other

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one came back in the same direction

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grabbed me by the arm again the same arm

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lifted me and floated me out the door

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and took me to the river and set me down

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and I was facing the river and my arms

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were stretched out and I couldn't move

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and I heard Charlie son son you okay

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and I want to said in harm

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okay you know but I'm okay all right

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well I'm sorry we're gonna have to go to

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break so we'll just leave it right there

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we'll pick it right back we're where we

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left off after the break so everyone

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thanks so much you're listening to kgr a

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radio and my guest is Calvin Parker and

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we'll be right back after this

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commercial break stay with us clear all

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right how much time we have bill three

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minutes three minutes yes okay excellent

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so so Calvin at this point we'll just

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talk about something else we'll pick up

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the story as I mentioned everywhere so I

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guess during the break here I'm just

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gonna ask you how did this well this

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could be part of the show too but how

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did the the media treat you right away

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we didn't this go like haywire right

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away

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indeed the next morning oh they just

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went crazy and I just shied away because

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I didn't want I didn't want nobody to

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know you know I told Charlie let's not

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tell nobody and I don't know if Charlie

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told them or maybe the Sheriff's

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Department did or maybe they picked it

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up on scanners they were you know back

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then scanners it's real popular oh yeah

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and I buddy was scandal Sheriff

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Department but um anyhow they found out

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and they went just absolutely crazy and

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I didn't want a part of that

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well could you actually hide from the

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press of as much as you could

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I did but they'd hunt me down like a

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hound dog and I've had them come up

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where I was working and won't interview

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you know and that is something I didn't

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want out well one thing I was into him

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engaged to get married that November and

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this was October and I really didn't

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want her family to find out about this

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because that would have knocked that in

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the head I thought well and and how did

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that did she did her family actually

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find out about it and how did it go they

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knew about it before I got back home

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so that's how fast news travels well and

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did you get weary but all I did November

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tonight yeah I'm married been happily

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married ever since Oh awesome yeah well

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and so this whole thing we have about a

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minute and a half or so this whole thing

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you know people don't understand that

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how much something like this can change

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your life but really has changed your

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life in a whole bunch of different ways

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I've got it has I made in a number of

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ways and the one reason I went public

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with it because of the prayers you know

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I got tired of the prayers you tell them

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something that changed everything you

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say it so it didn't you know to tell

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them anything so I decided you know the

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heavily but I just write a book or

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Phillips really the one that convinced

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me that's the way to do it

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so I wrote a book and it's documented

510
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it's in there somebody won't read it

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good they don't that's good too yeah

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yeah excellent so bill we about ready to

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go on and a s in about 20 seconds we'll

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be coming back okay sounds good

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great show gentlemen oh thank you oh

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thanks

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so alright so we left off I was put out

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toward a river okay we have that

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question in chat - yes you head out to

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the river okay we're ready bill in three

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two one go welcome back to podcast UFO

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I'm Martin Willis and my guest this

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evening is the one and only Calvin

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Parker of the count of the Pascagoula

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incident abduction incident we were

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talking about you were left off at the

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dock we have a question that came in our

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chat will ask that in a minute so

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continue if you would Calvin what what

530
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were the events that happened did the

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ship take off did you see did you get

532
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all of your your your body functions at

533
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that point and all that yeah when I

534
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heard Charlie calling my name I was kind

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of snapped out of it come out of the

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days there and at that time when we

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turned around

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both of us turn around to look to see

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what was going on and this thing just

540
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picked straight up in there didn't make

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a whole lot of no it's just kind of a

542
00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:32,720
noise

543
00:24:38,530 --> 00:24:34,790
it picks straight up in there and

544
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:38,540
disappeared I mean like lightning so

545
00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:42,110
like shot off you mean good day well it

546
00:24:47,020 --> 00:24:45,020
is shot off but it disappeared to when

547
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:47,030
it shot off I mean it was speed a lot

548
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:50,990
when it left there but we need yeah we

549
00:24:57,310 --> 00:24:54,410
sat down and Charlie said whistle and

550
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,320
talk about this for a minute so we had a

551
00:25:02,020 --> 00:24:59,360
log pulled up our we were setting on to

552
00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:02,030
start with we sat down and believe me it

553
00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:03,920
was hard to stay there after that for a

554
00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:04,430
minute

555
00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:08,120
but on I said Charlie look let's not

556
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:10,040
tell nobody all I agree with you we

557
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:12,140
don't need to tell nobody we need to

558
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:14,810
keep this under a hat okay so we agreed

559
00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:21,980
to keep it quiet so about all about that

560
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:27,800
time oh well well I'm coming along we

561
00:25:33,790 --> 00:25:31,370
agreed to keep it quiet right then so we

562
00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:33,800
got up and we started walking back to

563
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:36,230
the car it was kind of a forceful walk

564
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:38,780
because of the underbrush and the trash

565
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:39,200
you know

566
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:41,930
and while the trash was there that's

567
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:43,820
where the floods it brought in the trash

568
00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:46,370
and the water went out and he just left

569
00:25:53,860 --> 00:25:49,220
it there so when we got back to the car

570
00:25:56,770 --> 00:25:53,870
I was had a brand-new 1973 Rambler

571
00:26:01,270 --> 00:25:56,780
Hornet oh yeah and I remember Charlie

572
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,280
yeah a good little car yeah here yeah

573
00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:03,440
Holly went over on his side uh-huh and

574
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:05,180
the window was shattered but it was

575
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:07,910
still in place and I went to my side and

576
00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:09,470
when he went to open the door the window

577
00:26:15,910 --> 00:26:13,820
just fell out and I was unusual because

578
00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:15,920
the safety glass and I figured it would

579
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:18,740
stay hmm then we got in the car and I

580
00:26:23,170 --> 00:26:20,390
tried to crank it and there was a lot of

581
00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:23,180
trouble to crank I finally eventually

582
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:28,220
got it running so long we would went to

583
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:32,330
drive off and there was a [\h__\h] Moore

584
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,920
store down the road or a little curb

585
00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:34,880
store and

586
00:26:38,110 --> 00:26:36,740
Charlie still we need to tell somebody

587
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:38,120
else and now we don't need to tell

588
00:26:41,710 --> 00:26:38,810
nobody

589
00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:41,720
let's go home go to bed get up and go to

590
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:44,390
work he said no we got to tell somebody

591
00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:47,030
so I pulled into this magic mark store

592
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:49,880
to make a long story short he pitched at

593
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,070
the pound he called kishore he felt like

594
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:53,360
that was the one that made you know

595
00:26:58,690 --> 00:26:55,790
that's a local Air Force Base in Biloxi

596
00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:58,700
and they just kind of blew him off and

597
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:01,220
said we don't investigate UFOs anymore

598
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:04,250
we closed that program you need to call

599
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:07,340
the local authorities Charlie said okay

600
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:09,320
so Charlie dropped another dime and

601
00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:11,930
called the Sheriff Department well while

602
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:13,340
he was on the phone with the Sheriff's

603
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:15,710
Department they totally well we're going

604
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,620
to come over there y'all don't move stay

605
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:19,760
right where you are

606
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:21,890
so in about ten minutes they had a

607
00:27:27,790 --> 00:27:25,490
patrol car pulled up one of the deputies

608
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:27,800
got out and looked inside the car just

609
00:27:33,370 --> 00:27:30,170
through the window told me to step out

610
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:33,380
Oh Charlie step out did a sobriety test

611
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:36,170
to see if we had been drinking or was a

612
00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:39,650
nipper ready and then he told us that

613
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:41,390
we're getting a car you can follow us

614
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:42,770
back to the sheriff's department

615
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:45,650
somebody said that we was drinking but

616
00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:47,090
if we'd been drinking we never would

617
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:49,700
have left a curb store in our car we'd

618
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:53,750
been in the back of those right so on

619
00:27:59,230 --> 00:27:55,040
the way to the Sheriff Department

620
00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:59,240
Charlie young he did have a bottle in

621
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:01,190
the car I didn't know we had it in there

622
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:02,900
but there was a bottle of Jim Beam in

623
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:05,000
there and he said I gotta have a drink

624
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:07,900
he said you won't want I said Lord no

625
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:10,850
I'm going to jail like it is it looks

626
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:16,190
like so we drove on and deal with the

627
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:18,410
Mississippi press coming well wonder we

628
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:21,170
stopped there well in small towns you

629
00:28:26,140 --> 00:28:23,360
don't have nothing open neither one of

630
00:28:28,330 --> 00:28:26,150
us had a watch to tell the time so

631
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:28,340
Charlie said pulling down I'm gonna walk

632
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:30,260
in look at the clock see what time it is

633
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:32,060
I said well would be over here shoved

634
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:34,250
apart and then too many let's just wait

635
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:38,450
so he went in say I stopped he jumped up

636
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:40,220
running inside and looked and he wasn't

637
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:42,440
in there but a second come back out and

638
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,850
he said they don't have a clock and I

639
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,400
don't have no idea what time it is so

640
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:48,380
Willis country Sheriff Department you

641
00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:51,580
so when we got to the Sheriff Department

642
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:53,900
they put us in separate rooms and

643
00:28:58,690 --> 00:28:55,880
started interrogating us and I mean a

644
00:29:01,090 --> 00:28:58,700
good interrogation - and then they all

645
00:29:02,049 --> 00:29:01,100
put us together and put us in the same

646
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:02,059
room together

647
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:03,890
the little did we know there was a tape

648
00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:08,870
recorder in this room so they was taping

649
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:11,000
all of her conversation we didn't know

650
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:12,620
about this tape recorder I didn't know

651
00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:20,649
finally the sheriff coming in the Fred

652
00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:23,179
diamond he was the sheriff then he said

653
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:25,429
well look y'all boys okay y'all go on

654
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:30,770
home and I said no mr. diamond sheriff

655
00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:32,690
we don't want nobody to know about this

656
00:29:37,169 --> 00:29:34,280
we ain't gonna tell nobody that's not

657
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:37,179
our job to tell people I said we're good

658
00:29:43,899 --> 00:29:40,250
so Charlie and I got in there and on the

659
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:43,909
way home we stopped my little bar or it

660
00:29:47,529 --> 00:29:45,740
wasn't a bar it was really a place to

661
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:47,539
eat I said let's let's pull in here I

662
00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:50,510
got to get something so we pulled in the

663
00:29:55,180 --> 00:29:53,030
little tiki bar over there and I got a

664
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,190
miller pony that was real popular back

665
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,679
in just one and I couldn't even drank

666
00:30:02,649 --> 00:30:00,320
the whole thing I just slugged it up and

667
00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:02,659
took a little swallow went back out we

668
00:30:09,370 --> 00:30:04,190
laughs got in the car and went to the

669
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:09,380
house and I was worried about having

670
00:30:15,549 --> 00:30:12,770
bacteria and radiation and exposing

671
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:15,559
somebody at the time and I was really

672
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:17,750
concerned about that because you know

673
00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:19,429
nobody even thought about checking us

674
00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:22,190
forth in Soto Charlie I said look we

675
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:24,590
better get checked out what do we got

676
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:27,650
some kind of bacteria you know they the

677
00:30:34,539 --> 00:30:30,380
space people or the astronauts when they

678
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:34,549
come back they all combine them for a

679
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:37,490
little while and we got radiation that

680
00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:40,850
you don't get rid of that so well we'll

681
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:42,020
worry about that later

682
00:30:46,990 --> 00:30:44,450
Oh what to get it checked out in the

683
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:47,000
morning but I was thinking it's too late

684
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:49,370
in the morning so when we got to the

685
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:51,740
house to Charlie's apartment I was

686
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:55,010
renting a room from him I went in the

687
00:31:00,010 --> 00:30:57,049
bedroom and I pulled all my clothes off

688
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:00,020
my shoes off I put them in a bag I took

689
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:01,910
a good shower

690
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,500
got that bag and I walked out and I

691
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:05,600
throw them in a dumpster and I was I was

692
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:07,720
through cuz I was worried about all that

693
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:12,110
now so I don't know Chuck

694
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:13,730
Charlie went to bed or not I don't know

695
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:16,280
so just just a couple things I will get

696
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:19,250
back to continuing this story but I just

697
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:23,060
wanted to know how long would you think

698
00:31:27,850 --> 00:31:25,250
that the incident itself happened

699
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:27,860
between when they floated to you and

700
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:29,480
then you actually floated back onto the

701
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:33,260
pier would you when I guess that was it

702
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:35,750
five minutes it was ten minutes or it's

703
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:38,690
a guess I want to say we was in the

704
00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:43,250
craft 45 minutes 45 least yes sir at

705
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:45,920
least you know and that's just

706
00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:49,880
uneducated yes okay wait you're the

707
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:52,100
person that's never heard what the

708
00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:53,690
beings look like I think that's kind of

709
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:55,670
the most fantastic one of the most

710
00:32:00,400 --> 00:31:58,220
fantastic parts of this story is what

711
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,410
they looked like and for the people on

712
00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:02,000
YouTube we'll go - we're gonna put up a

713
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:04,280
picture of what they can you describe

714
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:07,030
their looks and their including their

715
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:09,650
like claw-like hands and everything I

716
00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:10,910
can

717
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:13,640
now the other day there's this guy came

718
00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:16,670
to the house and as far as the skin he

719
00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:18,140
described it good

720
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:20,660
he called it like a manatee he said

721
00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:22,940
would you consider like a manatee you

722
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:24,860
know the wrinkled skin and kind of tough

723
00:32:30,010 --> 00:32:27,470
and that was the way this one creature

724
00:32:32,290 --> 00:32:30,020
looked alright they didn't have any legs

725
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:32,300
that I could tell that they walked on it

726
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:34,370
or they was just kind of like a little

727
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:37,460
split or really much feet they just

728
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:39,890
floated they never move their legs their

729
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:43,310
hands was like they had on cloud crab

730
00:32:48,670 --> 00:32:45,920
claws have you ever seen a crab but I

731
00:32:52,030 --> 00:32:48,680
would say more like a mitten than a crab

732
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:52,040
claw but there was grayish in color now

733
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,770
the other one like I say it was kind of

734
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:56,480
feminine and I'm guessing it was

735
00:33:04,180 --> 00:32:59,090
probably a woman she had facial features

736
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:04,190
and you know a better body you know that

737
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:07,250
one big ugly when they like hold it so

738
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:10,970
well and no visible eyes right you

739
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:13,930
didn't really see eyes I didn't

740
00:33:19,470 --> 00:33:16,930
and but I wasn't really trying to pay

741
00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:19,480
much attention to the face now I think

742
00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:22,630
later on during a hypnosis session with

743
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:25,480
Budd Hopkins that I probably described a

744
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:30,280
face in there so well I just had that

745
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:33,010
for the person listening they had like

746
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:34,990
points like a point where the nose is

747
00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:37,990
and a point where two points where the

748
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:41,080
ears are right now that's the way

749
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:43,510
charlie described it I didn't see none

750
00:33:51,780 --> 00:33:46,510
of that is that right oh it was blurry

751
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,790
to me because I guess I was the next day

752
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:54,880
you know there was a artist Larry Flint

753
00:33:59,490 --> 00:33:57,250
that was working at the shipyard and

754
00:34:02,370 --> 00:33:59,500
there was an artist there and he Charlie

755
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:02,380
said and they drew a picture of what he

756
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:04,810
described and like I say he asked me

757
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:06,610
what I seen I said well I didn't say

758
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:08,580
that it was all kind of blurry to me

759
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:11,320
like I say I think I was drugged a

760
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:13,570
little bit when I went in not completely

761
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:16,210
knocked out but drugged enough where I

762
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:18,730
didn't want to well well I couldn't

763
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:25,320
resist whilst the chat @kg are a radio

764
00:34:30,139 --> 00:34:27,310
someone wanted to know were you a

765
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:30,149
skeptic before you had this sighting

766
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,310
well actually I never thought about it

767
00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:35,919
before this sidon you know I've never

768
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:39,909
heard about a UFO or ghosts or anything

769
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:45,010
like that so really I guess so how you

770
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:47,380
know I'm open-minded about anything but

771
00:34:53,070 --> 00:34:49,330
I had never even thought about it

772
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:53,080
so what for what did you did you like

773
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:56,409
think what did you think it was I mean

774
00:35:00,540 --> 00:34:58,450
did the first thing come to mind you

775
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,550
think did you think they had to be from

776
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:03,040
another planet or something I mean well

777
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:06,370
no what I thought it was we have a big

778
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:10,150
ship yard and they big a naval base in a

779
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,480
shipyard you know and I thought maybe

780
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:16,000
them clowns over to shipyard at this

781
00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:19,270
time was probably I'll be experimenting

782
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:21,220
with some kind of new special craft and

783
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:24,520
having some fun with it but you know

784
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:26,440
come to find out later that wasn't it

785
00:35:29,489 --> 00:35:27,369
because they

786
00:35:32,759 --> 00:35:29,499
even went and investigated that ideal of

787
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:32,769
their well they did it was for abeyance

788
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:35,170
because this thing shot up in there and

789
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:38,680
lay out yeah and we'll talk about your

790
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:41,710
experience at the at the Air Force after

791
00:35:47,759 --> 00:35:45,249
that or the base nearby someone want to

792
00:35:49,769 --> 00:35:47,769
know if you have ever listened to the

793
00:35:54,269 --> 00:35:49,779
recording they made at the police

794
00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:54,279
station I guess it's up on YouTube it

795
00:36:01,799 --> 00:35:57,640
might be I don't know now I've read it

796
00:36:04,109 --> 00:36:01,809
in the book some somehow fill up all the

797
00:36:06,299 --> 00:36:04,119
publisher of this book he got his hands

798
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:06,309
on a transcript of it he put the

799
00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:09,670
transcripts in the book and I've read it

800
00:36:15,089 --> 00:36:11,619
in the book and it was surprising and

801
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:15,099
that's just like it was to so and so I

802
00:36:19,049 --> 00:36:17,710
think this that part of your story a lot

803
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:19,059
of people don't know but that actually

804
00:36:23,730 --> 00:36:21,910
added a lot of credibility because you

805
00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:23,740
didn't know you're being taped and you

806
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:26,980
were having a conversation about it do I

807
00:36:31,470 --> 00:36:29,410
am I remembering right that you may have

808
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:31,480
passed out or is that is this another

809
00:36:36,269 --> 00:36:32,400
incident

810
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:36,279
well no what the passing out thing was

811
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:40,630
and I had me and Charlie had talked

812
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:42,220
about it I didn't want no media

813
00:36:46,620 --> 00:36:45,249
attention or anything Charlie said well

814
00:36:48,930 --> 00:36:46,630
he was going to talk to him and tell him

815
00:36:51,059 --> 00:36:48,940
I said well don't tell him I was even

816
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:51,069
there he said would just tell him you

817
00:36:56,789 --> 00:36:54,309
passed out and he told him that and

818
00:36:59,039 --> 00:36:56,799
that's more or less what all they took

819
00:37:01,289 --> 00:36:59,049
and run well I've never really sat down

820
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:01,299
and talked to her to with nobody about

821
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:04,410
nothing not family not friends or nobody

822
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:07,720
so you you just wanted that story so you

823
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:09,220
didn't have to deal with the press or

824
00:37:12,809 --> 00:37:09,960
anything

825
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,819
exactly right and they several stories

826
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:15,180
is the press has put out because

827
00:37:20,099 --> 00:37:17,470
normally I wouldn't talk to him and when

828
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,109
I did I tell him a lot of oble just to

829
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:23,200
get rid of them and you know you can't

830
00:37:27,059 --> 00:37:24,430
you can't get rid of them

831
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:27,069
right Chrissa in the chat room has a

832
00:37:34,109 --> 00:37:30,730
great question did you notice any

833
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:34,119
unusual odors like with the beings or

834
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:37,690
the inside of the craft now I didn't it

835
00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:40,480
was all the crap look

836
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:43,960
two extremely clean to me and I didn't

837
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:47,440
notice any odors at all until we got

838
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:49,840
back out to the river then you know you

839
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:53,830
got there was a paper that old pokey

840
00:37:59,609 --> 00:37:57,130
plant diner smelt pretty bad now how

841
00:38:01,980 --> 00:37:59,619
about the breathing the air inside of

842
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:01,990
the craft was it Annie was there any

843
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:03,640
struggling at all or did you just

844
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:06,340
breathe fine no struggle seemed like we

845
00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:09,310
had plenty of oxygen in there so I

846
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:11,020
figured they were that was pipelining

847
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:13,510
and then or when they opened the door it

848
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:16,210
had plenty in there for us now I know

849
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:20,560
you said you were relaxed were you also

850
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:24,850
frightened at the same time after all I

851
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:27,730
called the shot no I wasn't frightened

852
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:31,119
right then matter of fact I was trying

853
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:33,130
to think away still to get out of there

854
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:37,359
and you know there wasn't no way I can

855
00:38:41,849 --> 00:38:40,330
move and do it and resist so I just laid

856
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,859
there and let her do what she needed to

857
00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:44,170
or him do it whatever it was

858
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:46,840
yeah were there any other like

859
00:38:50,220 --> 00:38:48,670
instruments or anything that you I know

860
00:38:52,859 --> 00:38:50,230
you mentioned the deck of cards thing

861
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,869
coming out of the out of the wall and

862
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:55,119
all that stuff did you see any other

863
00:39:00,240 --> 00:38:57,609
instruments or that they were not

864
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:00,250
scanning you with or anything no I did

865
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:01,930
and that was the only thing I could see

866
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:03,850
now that no mean it wasn't something in

867
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:06,490
there but the only thing that I seen was

868
00:39:12,930 --> 00:39:09,340
that thing that was skinned in this

869
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:12,940
wheel now they might have got some blood

870
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:16,330
well no you know they give me that

871
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:19,150
injection or if it was an injection

872
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:20,320
because that was a pretty good little

873
00:39:25,859 --> 00:39:23,650
split on my harm where they had picked

874
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:25,869
me up and they might've just toured but

875
00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:29,280
you know some reason I got real relaxed

876
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:32,500
dad and I I think they knew they would

877
00:39:35,099 --> 00:39:34,330
scare you so they had to do something to

878
00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:35,109
calm you down

879
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,100
oh absolutely Wow and so when you saw

880
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:44,560
the thing take off

881
00:39:52,140 --> 00:39:48,280
did you and and Charlie have a

882
00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:52,150
conversation just saying that what what

883
00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:54,040
happened or did you just

884
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:55,860
kind of figure it had to be something

885
00:40:00,690 --> 00:39:58,930
off planet or something you know I mean

886
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,700
how did you guys work that out in your

887
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:03,040
conversation well we really didn't have

888
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:05,770
that conversation right then we knew

889
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:07,330
something had happened and we knew we

890
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:10,960
had to get out of there but uh you know

891
00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:13,330
Charlie was pretty calm about it - he

892
00:40:21,210 --> 00:40:16,870
was a little older so he knew more about

893
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,220
how to handle stress and we just didn't

894
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:23,400
worry too much about it then we just

895
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:25,900
tried to get out and get somewhere safe

896
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:28,270
because we didn't know who is safe or

897
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:32,230
not right yeah and that is really

898
00:40:35,730 --> 00:40:34,030
bizarre about your car with the window

899
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:35,740
and do you think that had to do with

900
00:40:41,730 --> 00:40:38,080
like the craft landing nearby it or

901
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:41,740
something I'm I'm almost 100% sure

902
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:44,980
that's what happened because I believe

903
00:40:49,410 --> 00:40:47,560
the noise off if it had an engine or the

904
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,420
hissing noise that come out of it

905
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:51,760
probably shattered the windows I've

906
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,950
often wondered why I didn't shatter all

907
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:55,630
of them though I be shattered that one

908
00:41:02,370 --> 00:41:00,220
right right and what about I we asked

909
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:02,380
about odors what about I mean yeah about

910
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:05,140
odors what about sounds did you hear any

911
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:07,540
weird sounds or did they try to

912
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:09,400
communicate in any type of way to you

913
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:12,430
yeah they did communicate I think with

914
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:13,240
each other

915
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:18,070
and it was just like if this is a sound

916
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:21,250
in a way but you know other than that no

917
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:24,790
it wasn't really no weird sounds but I

918
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:27,430
felt the way she more or less

919
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:30,010
communicated was me I feel like it was

920
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:33,490
mental telepathy because I knew what she

921
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,610
was thinking or it was thinking I called

922
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:39,040
it a she I don't know why I guess after

923
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:41,140
no big ugly when God said you assumed

924
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:42,850
that was a male and the other one was a

925
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:48,460
she saw well but that one knows he he

926
00:41:53,730 --> 00:41:51,160
was ugly and means well when you see me

927
00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:53,740
and what and what way was he mean that

928
00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:58,420
you saw well not really main mean but uh

929
00:42:03,780 --> 00:42:02,020
you know anytime just say Lux you

930
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:03,790
sitting at your house that your living

931
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:06,400
room watching TV and somebody kicks your

932
00:42:10,770 --> 00:42:07,390
door down and come

933
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:10,780
ditching drags out to the van gives you

934
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,910
an examination and drags you back in the

935
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:15,040
house in here you know that's pretty

936
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:19,180
brutal and they'd get electric chair for

937
00:42:23,850 --> 00:42:22,150
that around Mississippi or shot right

938
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:23,860
now you weren't in the service you're

939
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:25,180
right at the very end of when they were

940
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:27,490
drafting at Vietnam weren't you you were

941
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:30,610
not Wallis yes I'm 73 so you you kind of

942
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:33,250
missed all that someone asked if you

943
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:40,000
were that but so now let's let's go on

944
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,630
and talk about what happened after this

945
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:46,420
because you went to did they actually

946
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:47,950
come and visit you from the Air Force

947
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:51,090
Base in Biloxi or how did all that work

948
00:42:56,970 --> 00:42:54,310
know how it work the next day Charlie

949
00:42:59,580 --> 00:42:56,980
and I got up went to work and while we

950
00:43:02,370 --> 00:42:59,590
was at work the news media got so bad

951
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:02,380
but the people we work for that was said

952
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:05,230
to help me walk her son shipyard they

953
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:07,690
had an attorney I believe his name was

954
00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:10,510
joka Mingo and he's the one that

955
00:43:18,810 --> 00:43:13,660
actually set up he was wanted to get us

956
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:18,820
a checked out and then he wanted us to

957
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:21,130
go to Keystone be checked for radiation

958
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,190
because my concerns was bacteria and

959
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:27,040
radiation sure so they took took us to a

960
00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:29,050
local hospital and did a physical

961
00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:30,760
illness and that's where they found a

962
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:36,460
little splitting on and did some blood

963
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,650
work and all I think that all those

964
00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:41,440
papers have been lost because during

965
00:43:45,780 --> 00:43:44,350
Katrina all that information you know

966
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:45,790
they didn't back nothing up on the

967
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:49,210
computer got lost and we was had trouble

968
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:53,250
getting it and then we'd left there and

969
00:44:01,560 --> 00:43:57,930
they had the deputy sheriff escort us to

970
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,570
Kiesler and that was the closest you

971
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:03,760
know I've come to talking to them we

972
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:06,550
pulled up and they was probably five or

973
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:10,060
six guys in a wasp suit or more than

974
00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:12,460
that and that we got out of the car they

975
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:15,070
checked us for radiation then I said

976
00:44:19,710 --> 00:44:17,740
y'all fine and they said they want to

977
00:44:21,090 --> 00:44:19,720
talk to you inside so they pulled us

978
00:44:23,220 --> 00:44:21,100
inside

979
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:23,230
in a conference room and that was quite

980
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:25,330
a few people in there I'm not sure how

981
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:27,340
many it was all documented in the book

982
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:31,690
oh so they question us interrogators a

983
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:33,550
little bit not really an interrogation

984
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:38,410
of it was really nice and told us we

985
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:43,240
could go so when we got out and they got

986
00:44:48,780 --> 00:44:45,940
us back to the shipyard the shipyard

987
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:48,790
said we we can't work here we got to

988
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:51,250
shut operations down as long as y'all

989
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:53,140
here because we can't get no phone calls

990
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,050
in the media's calling so y'all need to

991
00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:58,960
get out of here and we're gonna pay

992
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:02,170
y'all a couple of weeks to leave so they

993
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:05,920
wrote us a check I don't remember how

994
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:08,080
much is for how long they wrote us a

995
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,710
check told us to go so I took him at the

996
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:13,440
word I didn't won't take your money but

997
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:16,740
you know they wouldn't take it back so

998
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:19,390
you see so wait you got at least a

999
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:23,140
vacation out of this yeah if you want to

1000
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:27,580
call it that yeah but I remember go

1001
00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:28,240
ahead sorry

1002
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:32,260
yeah the foreman at the shipyard I had

1003
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:34,270
forgot who it was I want to move to

1004
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:37,300
where I live now just a couple of roads

1005
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:41,950
over hey y'all the guy the foreman that

1006
00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:44,530
shipyard lived there and he said I

1007
00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:46,540
remember Calvin he stopped by the other

1008
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:48,220
day and I didn't remember him you know

1009
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:50,250
everybody changes the older they get

1010
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,660
uglier they get so uh he told me said I

1011
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:58,000
remember when we called y'all when you

1012
00:46:02,070 --> 00:45:59,440
got on your hands and knees out in the

1013
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:02,080
parking lot was throwing up they said I

1014
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:06,070
felt really bad for you Wow

1015
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:10,390
all right so what about the emotional

1016
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:11,770
part of this was that did that really

1017
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:18,160
affect you it did it affected me in a

1018
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:22,030
lot of ways you know one thing it

1019
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:23,770
brought a lot of attention on that I

1020
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:28,240
didn't want so that's one way it did the

1021
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:31,240
next next thing I had a private life and

1022
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:34,180
my privacy was gone anywhere you go

1023
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:34,960
people would

1024
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,810
recognize you and approach it and I was

1025
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:43,839
kind of a hands-off guy I mean I loved

1026
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:45,820
people like being around people up until

1027
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:48,460
then and after that you know I didn't

1028
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:52,150
wanna be around nobody yeah it was

1029
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:54,130
really I'm trying to remember how I

1030
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:56,349
found you when you were on the show the

1031
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:57,910
first time but you were you made

1032
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:00,270
yourself very difficult to find right oh

1033
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:04,720
I did and I'd move somewhere and go to

1034
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:07,240
work and when they found out who I was I

1035
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:10,000
just quit and not show up the next

1036
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:13,330
morning and go on somewhere else well so

1037
00:47:18,990 --> 00:47:17,290
I changed jobs a good deal but it wasn't

1038
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:19,000
too bad the people that I worked with

1039
00:47:28,829 --> 00:47:24,640
when I finally got back to the coast I

1040
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:28,839
went to work for a guy in a construction

1041
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:33,010
company down here and he we became

1042
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:35,020
friends and he kind of protected me from

1043
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:39,040
all the chaos you know he wouldn't allow

1044
00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:42,010
that on his job plus we didn't work on

1045
00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:45,640
military bases we all build runways and

1046
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:48,700
parking lots and everything so 90% of

1047
00:47:56,010 --> 00:47:51,880
our job on military bases nobody could

1048
00:47:58,589 --> 00:47:56,020
get in they're not helped Wow now after

1049
00:48:01,200 --> 00:47:58,599
we take our next break which is in a two

1050
00:48:02,940 --> 00:48:01,210
and a half minutes or so I'm going to

1051
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:02,950
let people call in now you alright with

1052
00:48:06,859 --> 00:48:03,450
that

1053
00:48:10,589 --> 00:48:06,869
sure I only didn't ask you questions so

1054
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:10,599
you know this is uh this is actually one

1055
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:13,750
of the big cases I know that race

1056
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,640
Stanford is listening are you familiar

1057
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:17,920
with him he's a longtime UFO researcher

1058
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:20,080
he let me know he's like oh I am yeah

1059
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:23,260
sure he's listening tonight so that

1060
00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:24,760
actually would be great to hear from him

1061
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:26,380
as well

1062
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:29,020
so someone wanted to know in the chat

1063
00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:32,980
room have your views on religion changed

1064
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,109
since the encounter I don't know if you

1065
00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:37,119
had views on religion or not but someone

1066
00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:39,160
just wanted to know did that change any

1067
00:48:44,579 --> 00:48:42,070
part of your views absolutely not I

1068
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:44,589
believe in God I always will believe in

1069
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:48,490
him and I had strong religious views

1070
00:48:56,220 --> 00:48:53,680
when this happened and you know after

1071
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,230
happened I kind of got shot away from

1072
00:49:03,210 --> 00:48:58,240
the church but my heart still in the

1073
00:49:04,890 --> 00:49:03,220
church yeah did it you know a lot of

1074
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:04,900
times people said over the years I've

1075
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:08,170
heard it hundreds of times maybe that

1076
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:12,250
you know if if we actually if the earth

1077
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:13,390
actually knew that there were

1078
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:15,910
extraterrestrials they really did exist

1079
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:19,089
intelligent life existed then religions

1080
00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:21,070
would just falter do you think that's

1081
00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:25,150
not so after your experience no I don't

1082
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:27,640
believe that I believe it's a one God

1083
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:31,300
and that's it and regardless of who you

1084
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:34,030
are where are you from then you know

1085
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:36,790
that's probably that and if there's UFOs

1086
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:38,320
out there which it is

1087
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:41,950
or extraterrestrials they they gotta

1088
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:44,830
believe in something I believe I see

1089
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:49,990
yeah yeah okay well we are ready in

1090
00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:54,640
about ten minutes so when we start back

1091
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:56,680
here what we're gonna do is I'm gonna

1092
00:50:02,700 --> 00:49:58,690
open the lines up for anyone that wants

1093
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:02,710
to call in and looks like we are ready

1094
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:06,570
to go to break right now so I am on with

1095
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:10,720
Calvin Parker on kgr a radio and if you

1096
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:12,220
hang in there we'll be right back after

1097
00:50:21,020 --> 00:50:18,490
these messages clear remit I'm in three

1098
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:21,030
minutes again yes excellent thank you

1099
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:22,680
you're welcome

1100
00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:28,810
all right so someone wanted to know one

1101
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:31,720
chat molasses now what kind its the

1102
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:34,510
drawings I've seen online now I'm not

1103
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:36,460
sure if they were your drawings or Charl

1104
00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:40,330
Charles Charlie's or or not but are they

1105
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:43,780
of the craft there's all different types

1106
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:45,490
of shapes of the craft can you try to

1107
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:48,010
describe with that what you think it

1108
00:50:54,420 --> 00:50:51,640
looked like I think I went to your

1109
00:50:56,099 --> 00:50:54,430
website earlier in that picture you got

1110
00:50:58,770 --> 00:50:56,109
up on the bottom it's pretty close to

1111
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:58,780
what it looked like oh I don't remember

1112
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:00,780
what that is

1113
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,890
okay but I called it like a football it

1114
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:06,300
was kind of like a football

1115
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:08,700
now there's yeah yeah in a way one of

1116
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:10,110
the drawings that looks kind of like a

1117
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:12,320
walnut with things on each side was that

1118
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:16,230
that maybe a different well now this one

1119
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,770
I drawed one any kind of a bird or

1120
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,420
something and it had a look like a

1121
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:26,520
couple of windows on the front of it

1122
00:51:33,380 --> 00:51:29,720
that was more or less where the door was

1123
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,390
and would you describe the door what the

1124
00:51:39,050 --> 00:51:36,480
door was like was it just an opening was

1125
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:39,060
eye-opening I figured it probably slid

1126
00:51:44,570 --> 00:51:42,180
in and slid out because on the way out I

1127
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:44,580
tried to look at it because I when I

1128
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:46,890
when I was taking me in I couldn't turn

1129
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:49,050
my head because I was study wanting to

1130
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:52,110
know if Charlie was there whatever and I

1131
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:53,490
was hoping that put us in there together

1132
00:51:57,580 --> 00:51:55,410
because I figured you know between the

1133
00:52:01,280 --> 00:51:57,590
bow close we could probably take them

1134
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:01,290
but you know that was the wrong answer

1135
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:04,890
and I know the next day at the shipyard

1136
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,090
they put together a yo a hit squad gonna

1137
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:11,040
go down and hunt them down I said I

1138
00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:13,560
don't believe y'all want to do that hunt

1139
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:15,060
them down after they took off speed of

1140
00:52:22,450 --> 00:52:20,250
light yeah yeah even if you find them is

1141
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:22,460
you wouldn't want to do that yeah yeah

1142
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,700
the inside of the craft walls would you

1143
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:28,920
say they were like smooth and unda

1144
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:31,380
stinked or did you see anything of any

1145
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:35,100
character at all now I'd say they're

1146
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:37,410
smooth but none distinct and like

1147
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:41,490
whatever I do remember colors well the

1148
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:44,970
only colors I've seen was though locked

1149
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,450
the lights that come out of the craft

1150
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:50,160
and I described it as watching somebody

1151
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:51,690
wailed you know they were so bright too

1152
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:56,670
glowing all off baby Wow and one thing I

1153
00:53:01,610 --> 00:52:58,770
forgot to ask you and but how many

1154
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:01,620
creatures did you see was it just the

1155
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:03,810
two or was it like four or five do you

1156
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,370
remember well it was three that came out

1157
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:10,260
of the craft and then the female

1158
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:13,290
creature that was in there with me and

1159
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:14,550
you know I've never heard

1160
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:16,380
Charlie say of course we didn't really

1161
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:19,620
talk about it I don't never heard him

1162
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:21,630
say anything about it I don't mean it's

1163
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:23,640
a gentleman we are coming back in about

1164
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:25,910
ten seconds so stand by okay we're ready

1165
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:31,110
all ready in 3 2 1

1166
00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:35,760
gulp welcome back to kgr a radio podcast

1167
00:53:42,350 --> 00:53:39,390
UFO and my guest is Calvin Parker of the

1168
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:42,360
kelp of the Pascagoula incident

1169
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:45,210
abduction incident and right now we will

1170
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:47,490
take calls online if anyone wants to

1171
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:49,890
give us a call that number is going to

1172
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:51,630
be popping up on the screen in a second

1173
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,280
and we may be having a little trouble

1174
00:54:02,660 --> 00:53:58,500
with the actually with the person doing

1175
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:02,670
that work having in the background okay

1176
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:03,210
here we go

1177
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:05,310
anyway so that numbers up of the screen

1178
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:08,130
I'll just give that number out now but

1179
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,080
please only call it when the show is

1180
00:54:15,830 --> 00:54:13,440
live in that six oh three nine six seven

1181
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:15,840
four OH three oh it's up on the screen

1182
00:54:22,310 --> 00:54:18,960
now and so we welcome your call for

1183
00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:22,320
questions for Calvin and would like to

1184
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:28,320
hear from you so one thing I think that

1185
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:30,210
I forgot to ask Calvin is how did this

1186
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:32,850
actually get leaked to the press to

1187
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:36,300
begin with who actually leaked it you

1188
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:38,670
know I would love to know that myself

1189
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:42,630
the truth about it but I really feel

1190
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,240
they know back then there wasn't cell

1191
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:48,960
phones or the one computers but

1192
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:51,240
everybody their big hobbies were

1193
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:53,340
scanners and listened to the police

1194
00:54:58,460 --> 00:54:56,700
department apartment you know and I feel

1195
00:55:01,760 --> 00:54:58,470
like somebody was on a scanner and

1196
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,770
hurting and when that got started you

1197
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:04,050
know all you newspapers and TV stations

1198
00:55:09,170 --> 00:55:06,810
you know would listen to him and I I

1199
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,180
think one station picked it up and he

1200
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:11,460
just spread it yeah things happen really

1201
00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:13,230
fast when it goes like that we have a

1202
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:14,670
caller on line

1203
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:16,560
welcome to the show your name and where

1204
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,170
you calling from please

1205
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:20,880
well hello I'm a ray Stanford all right

1206
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:23,700
how are you great to hear from you hey

1207
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:25,770
thanks for inviting me it's a pleasure

1208
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,170
to finally meet Calvin Parker and

1209
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,000
Kelvin I want to make this brief because

1210
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:31,680
I know other people would love to talk

1211
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:35,040
to you but I just wanted to tell you a

1212
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:36,599
couple of things that happened when we

1213
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:39,450
were with with Charlie Higson that I

1214
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:44,970
thought you might enjoy right okay let

1215
00:55:49,789 --> 00:55:47,880
me tell the first one that occurred my

1216
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,799
organization had invited Charlie to

1217
00:55:55,789 --> 00:55:52,559
Austin Texas to give a little talk about

1218
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:55,799
what had happened to you fellas and we

1219
00:56:02,660 --> 00:55:57,450
renewed a lot of tore him in the mall

1220
00:56:04,579 --> 00:56:02,670
and Calvin was very calm and I'm not

1221
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:04,589
Calvin I'm sorry Charlie was very calm

1222
00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:08,700
and so I introduced him and he got up

1223
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:10,859
and started giving a very nice account

1224
00:56:17,299 --> 00:56:13,740
very calm about what had happened

1225
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:17,309
and all of a sudden he began to tremble

1226
00:56:25,130 --> 00:56:21,720
and his skin began to turn wider and he

1227
00:56:28,819 --> 00:56:25,140
began to stammer and he said I'm sorry I

1228
00:56:31,099 --> 00:56:28,829
can't go on they're here they're here

1229
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:31,109
and it looked like he was going to

1230
00:56:36,289 --> 00:56:32,970
collapse so somebody brought a chair and

1231
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:36,299
he sat down now what I saw I wish that

1232
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:38,099
we had iPhones packed in so I could have

1233
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:39,990
regarded this I mean it was unbelievable

1234
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:41,849
he couldn't he couldn't have faked this

1235
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:43,710
thing what happened is he's sitting

1236
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:45,210
there in the chair and it's a is a KU

1237
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:48,329
auditorium and there are beads of sweat

1238
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:51,690
on his forehead blowing up like balloons

1239
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:54,210
and the poor guy he's sitting there he's

1240
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,790
white as a sheet and these beans beads

1241
00:57:00,680 --> 00:56:59,099
of sweat just got larger and larger and

1242
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:00,690
then actually rolled down his face and

1243
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,619
into his eyes and rub the the salt tears

1244
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:06,420
or whatever II called it sweat out of

1245
00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:09,900
his eyes and he was just trembling and

1246
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,630
he said I'm sorry I'm sorry they're here

1247
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,700
I know you can't see they're here and

1248
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:16,640
that was it so we just told everybody

1249
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:18,990
we're sorry but this is what has

1250
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,720
happened and that was well I'll tell you

1251
00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:23,520
there couldn't have been something if I

1252
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,859
had been a real skeptic

1253
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,480
there couldn't been a thank convinced me

1254
00:57:33,099 --> 00:57:29,910
more because there's no way this boys I

1255
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:33,109
know any human being could ever have

1256
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:35,490
done anything like that I mean this was

1257
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,809
just blowing up right out of his

1258
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:39,000
forehead it was spectacular and it was

1259
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:40,410
amazing and it was it was kind of scary

1260
00:57:44,539 --> 00:57:41,670
because part

1261
00:57:46,579 --> 00:57:44,549
Sharlee Sharlee just he got very weak

1262
00:57:49,460 --> 00:57:46,589
and white and it took us a while to get

1263
00:57:54,109 --> 00:57:49,470
him stabilized and we went on left and

1264
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:54,119
went back to his hotel but I wonder if

1265
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:55,770
you don't have a quick method there I

1266
00:57:59,839 --> 00:57:58,020
would like to tell about one other event

1267
00:58:04,220 --> 00:57:59,849
that happened that Charlie was involved

1268
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:04,230
in there sure okay

1269
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,510
this this was back you may remember he

1270
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:08,940
had some contact with a a teacher from

1271
00:58:13,940 --> 00:58:12,150
Michigan called chick Mendez and in fact

1272
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:13,950
he wrote a book with Chuck Mendes about

1273
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:16,140
what had happened and so chick was down

1274
00:58:22,579 --> 00:58:18,119
visiting with him and we invited them

1275
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:22,589
how - we were building our lab site for

1276
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:24,030
trying to track these objects with

1277
00:58:28,579 --> 00:58:26,520
optics and electronics but we really

1278
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:28,589
didn't have anything sophisticated up at

1279
00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:32,609
that time and they were down in the some

1280
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:36,119
distance from me Charlie and check

1281
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:38,250
Mendez and some of our people trying to

1282
00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:39,990
get some electronic equipment working

1283
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:42,030
down there and I was up on the hill with

1284
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:44,760
a camera had a 300 millimeter lens which

1285
00:58:51,380 --> 00:58:47,609
is six power and I had it on the tripod

1286
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,390
and all of a sudden somebody in the

1287
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:53,579
whole group that was out there said oh

1288
00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:55,950
my gosh look over there in the cell oh

1289
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:58,280
my gosh and we looked over there and

1290
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:02,339
here this is a dark night and over

1291
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:05,760
hovering over a an oak tree you could

1292
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,380
tell by the light there was a circular

1293
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,599
object you could see completely clearly

1294
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:11,280
a Rimmer reticle I saw it through the

1295
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:12,030
sixth power

1296
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:14,130
telephoto see a rim around it and a

1297
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:15,690
structural pattern on it I won't try to

1298
00:59:19,339 --> 00:59:17,250
describe it remind me a little bit of a

1299
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:19,349
stitching on a soccer ball or something

1300
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:21,780
but it was it was hovering there and it

1301
00:59:27,140 --> 00:59:24,720
had a cone of light extending down out

1302
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:27,150
of the bottom on the top of that that

1303
00:59:31,339 --> 00:59:29,369
oak tree and that it seemed that the

1304
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,349
column was vibrating I guessed about ten

1305
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:33,720
times a second as best I could judge it

1306
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:36,150
and much too much I was too astonished

1307
00:59:43,099 --> 00:59:39,569
to click the camera right away here at

1308
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:43,109
underneath this I thought maybe I saw at

1309
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:45,690
least two little figures there were

1310
00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:47,160
something moving under there and I

1311
00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:48,750
couldn't be sure and there was one or

1312
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:50,280
two others they thought they saw this

1313
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:52,170
but I had a better view because I was on

1314
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,530
six power and I was about ready my guy

1315
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:57,780
to get my census and take a picture and

1316
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:01,020
all of a sudden as if by signal this

1317
01:00:06,620 --> 01:00:04,650
thing vanished as if I mean it was

1318
01:00:09,020 --> 01:00:06,630
incredible it was there one moment and

1319
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,030
it was gone well while it was still

1320
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:11,280
there I was I'll never forget this this

1321
01:00:15,020 --> 01:00:13,050
is a memorable part even more than the

1322
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:15,030
object itself there's this incredible

1323
01:00:20,930 --> 01:00:19,170
thing sitting there out maybe a 1/3 of a

1324
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,940
mile from us or of quarter-mile from us

1325
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:23,520
and but quite large it must have been at

1326
01:00:27,530 --> 01:00:26,010
least 30 feet across or so Charlie

1327
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:27,540
turned around and looked and I'll never

1328
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:30,540
forget his reaction most people was good

1329
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:34,530
oh my gosh look at that Charlie just

1330
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:36,330
turned around and he said well I'll

1331
01:00:43,310 --> 01:00:39,240
never forget his good accent ASIS well

1332
01:00:46,070 --> 01:00:43,320
I'll be and this really hit me as being

1333
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:46,080
the essence of sincerity he had seen

1334
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,730
something much more awesome and

1335
01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:50,640
frightening but just turn around and say

1336
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:53,400
well I'll be to me that was the that was

1337
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:55,680
the the crowning point of that little

1338
01:00:59,780 --> 01:00:58,140
episode and I just wanted to share that

1339
01:01:04,220 --> 01:00:59,790
with you because I thought maybe you

1340
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:04,230
hadn't heard those Calvin no I didn't

1341
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,610
hear either one Calvin no I had now I

1342
01:01:12,110 --> 01:01:10,380
really did today too much in touch with

1343
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:12,120
Charlie you know we'd see each other

1344
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:15,410
sometime but we never talked about it

1345
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:18,420
yeah well you know it's it's my pleasure

1346
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:21,690
to hear you I really enjoyed I enjoyed

1347
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:23,310
your appearance before I'm gonna

1348
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:24,780
certainly gonna read the book wouldn't

1349
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:26,550
miss it for anything and I do have a

1350
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:28,410
rental copy of the recording of what

1351
01:01:31,220 --> 01:01:29,550
happened in the sheriff's office you

1352
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:31,230
guys didn't know it was being made I

1353
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:32,910
have it here in a drawer somewhere but

1354
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:35,550
anyway I'll sign off and and thanks for

1355
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:36,810
listening and thanks for sharing with us

1356
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:39,030
Calvin I'm a good deal and thank you

1357
01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:39,990
thank you Ray

1358
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:44,190
it's our honor yes yeah yeah so that was

1359
01:01:50,090 --> 01:01:46,970
a race Dan for a long time UFO searcher

1360
01:01:52,310 --> 01:01:50,100
Socorro and and a lot more than that

1361
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:52,320
actually so it was good to hear from so

1362
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:53,730
the lines open now if anyone else would

1363
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:55,140
like to call in someone was just trying

1364
01:02:00,590 --> 01:01:57,570
to call a minute ago you're welcome to

1365
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:00,600
call back and we'll connect you for any

1366
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:04,170
questions for for Calvin until someone

1367
01:02:09,390 --> 01:02:09,240
calls so you I was unaware that you kind

1368
01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:09,400
of

1369
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:12,700
lost touch with with Charlie did people

1370
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:15,610
try to get you like on any type of shows

1371
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:18,730
together like to be loved you you liked

1372
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:21,550
it and we did Mike want show together oh

1373
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:24,550
hang on we have a call baby we can talk

1374
01:02:33,210 --> 01:02:29,320
about that right after okay okay hi

1375
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,220
caller please first give you a first

1376
01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:35,920
name and where you calling from

1377
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:38,940
yeah I'm coming from southern France

1378
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:42,910
quite far away from you yes welcome from

1379
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:47,170
Rui and for you since a while and sorry

1380
01:02:53,070 --> 01:02:49,480
for my English is not amazing I hope

1381
01:02:57,930 --> 01:02:53,080
that people understand me yeah I have a

1382
01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:57,940
question for your guest and I wanted to

1383
01:03:06,660 --> 01:03:01,000
know yeah somebody talk about the

1384
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:06,670
religion I mean didi had also for

1385
01:03:12,060 --> 01:03:09,910
instance thoughts about an environment

1386
01:03:14,610 --> 01:03:12,070
the planet and things like that because

1387
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:14,620
I know child Hickson was very vocal

1388
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:19,810
about this in in this conference and in

1389
01:03:30,510 --> 01:03:23,410
the conference she did later after the

1390
01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:30,520
incident under to know that so that's

1391
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:35,080
the environment oh yeah yeah but being

1392
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:37,120
vegetarian and all those you know all

1393
01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:40,720
those thought that you can I mean it can

1394
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:45,640
fit new agey but you had a total

1395
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,150
different that look after this and this

1396
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,240
this earth the people in the earth is

1397
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:54,400
destroying it and there's no doubt about

1398
01:03:59,580 --> 01:03:57,280
it we got politicians we've got military

1399
01:04:02,340 --> 01:03:59,590
we got everybody destroying this earth

1400
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:02,350
you know we don't stop it's gonna be

1401
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:04,630
gone and I feel like that that's one

1402
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:07,150
reason for the communication and them

1403
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:10,210
coming is to teach us how to protect our

1404
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:12,910
or for now but yeah I feel like was gone

1405
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:16,200
and I got a different answer you know

1406
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:19,570
okay so yeah this thoughts those

1407
01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:21,730
thoughts came after the experience I

1408
01:04:24,690 --> 01:04:23,020
mean yes

1409
01:04:26,430 --> 01:04:24,700
you started to reflect about this after

1410
01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:26,440
the experience that's interesting

1411
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:30,070
how do you no doubt about it okay okay I

1412
01:04:36,210 --> 01:04:32,140
have another question about about the

1413
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:36,220
abduction itself because I'm very I mean

1414
01:04:40,050 --> 01:04:38,410
I'm grain testing you for phenomenon but

1415
01:04:44,670 --> 01:04:40,060
the abduction is is very it's very

1416
01:04:48,110 --> 01:04:44,680
difficult to to get a grasp on this is

1417
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,470
hypnotized by Pat Hopkins but but when

1418
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:54,400
you say you you've seen all this aliens

1419
01:05:01,790 --> 01:04:56,710
and being inside across the world did it

1420
01:05:06,330 --> 01:05:01,800
really looked real or I mean I mean the

1421
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:06,340
like it was a dream like it is see what

1422
01:05:09,210 --> 01:05:07,570
I mean I mean even though the memory is

1423
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:09,220
very far away I guess it's difficult for

1424
01:05:16,260 --> 01:05:13,090
you to remember but so do you but this

1425
01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:16,270
is real like yeah or like any other

1426
01:05:22,740 --> 01:05:20,500
extremity that more real or more vivid

1427
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:22,750
it was a blanket yeah more there's no

1428
01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:25,720
way it was a dream or how okay so you

1429
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:28,030
never dealt about okay ever happened

1430
01:05:32,550 --> 01:05:30,520
down you never had any doubt yeah okay

1431
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:32,560
yeah that's fascinating

1432
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:35,680
yes very fascinating and and another one

1433
01:05:42,350 --> 01:05:39,250
last thing because is I'm following this

1434
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:42,360
this phenomenon since a while and I

1435
01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:45,310
wanted to know because it's it's

1436
01:05:49,230 --> 01:05:47,830
changing so so much the phenomenon is

1437
01:05:51,810 --> 01:05:49,240
changing so much through the years I

1438
01:05:53,850 --> 01:05:51,820
mean since the 50s until now there's no

1439
01:05:56,790 --> 01:05:53,860
more at the abduction like you do one

1440
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:56,800
you have I mean from more from what I'm

1441
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:00,400
hearing and no more landings no more I

1442
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:02,650
mean it's evolving so much the shape of

1443
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:04,900
the craft that creatures I mean in your

1444
01:06:09,780 --> 01:06:07,300
creatures you seen looks very seventies

1445
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:09,790
like in the drawing I don't doubt your

1446
01:06:14,550 --> 01:06:11,530
experience but it looks like the

1447
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:14,560
phenomenon is really copying what people

1448
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:16,330
are seeing at the time in science

1449
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:19,690
fiction stuff so do you think that the

1450
01:06:25,170 --> 01:06:22,000
intelligence showed you what you could

1451
01:06:28,590 --> 01:06:25,180
handle somehow or I mean have you had

1452
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:28,600
thoughts about this the way you you see

1453
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:29,410
what I mean

1454
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,070
like it could be alien but alien like we

1455
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:35,680
can't even conceive it somehow it's it

1456
01:06:39,150 --> 01:06:36,610
looks so

1457
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:39,160
you see I mean it was very your your

1458
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:42,730
sightings seems so cliche somehow I mean

1459
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:44,620
I don't criticize it just the way it

1460
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:46,810
looks I mean meows people around me I've

1461
01:06:51,210 --> 01:06:47,440
seen

1462
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,220
yes I understand that and now you know

1463
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:53,680
if I hadn't had this experience myself

1464
01:06:58,340 --> 01:06:55,500
and somebody was telling me about it

1465
01:07:01,080 --> 01:06:58,350
it'll be one of them you got to show me

1466
01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:01,090
about oh yeah exactly it looks very

1467
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:04,540
weird that weirder than we really yeah

1468
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:07,770
and it's not a lot for people to will

1469
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:10,990
ever make their own mind up about it

1470
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:14,140
because it is a hard pill to swallow but

1471
01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:17,050
yeah yeah completely well we went to

1472
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:21,190
when I went to write this book somebody

1473
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,720
said well you know there's going to be

1474
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:24,160
somebody don't believe yes and well

1475
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:26,470
that's up to the individual they can

1476
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:27,940
believe or they don't have to believe

1477
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:30,400
personally myself I know that it

1478
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:32,770
happened now I don't care of anybody

1479
01:07:38,730 --> 01:07:35,140
else please it or not the books out here

1480
01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:38,740
doctor just down and yeah the messages

1481
01:07:45,150 --> 01:07:41,860
been released I mean that's the toughest

1482
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,160
is to awaken people to other realities

1483
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:47,200
is it's is that's the whole point

1484
01:07:54,420 --> 01:07:49,450
I guess because this is where we are now

1485
01:07:56,460 --> 01:07:54,430
so anything that and I'm really fine

1486
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,470
thank you very much anyway

1487
01:08:01,380 --> 01:07:59,440
interdimensional lobby I think they have

1488
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:01,390
the power now instead of coming down in

1489
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,970
a spacecraft they kind of worm into a

1490
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:06,640
black hole or something and I hear in

1491
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:09,130
just few seconds instead of yeah like I

1492
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:11,710
mean we can yeah this is how you we can

1493
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:14,500
yeah we can see that that way yeah for

1494
01:08:18,420 --> 01:08:16,060
the moment we can see if that way maybe

1495
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:18,430
it could change it but it's fascinating

1496
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:20,020
anyway

1497
01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:22,210
I was we have been for four years been

1498
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:25,140
fascinating by your case and very uh

1499
01:08:32,250 --> 01:08:28,300
whoops that was totally fresh I

1500
01:08:33,810 --> 01:08:32,260
apologize to the caller I was trying to

1501
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:33,820
adjust something and I just hung up on

1502
01:08:38,790 --> 01:08:36,880
him and by accidental list and I

1503
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,800
appreciate him calling me and then

1504
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:40,480
though yes he had some very good

1505
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:43,510
question some it's been asked yes and oh

1506
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:45,370
you know I never want to say that I do

1507
01:08:48,249 --> 01:08:46,750
apologize for hanging up that was

1508
01:08:51,099 --> 01:08:48,259
totally an accident

1509
01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:51,109
and yeah it was good good to hear in the

1510
01:08:55,509 --> 01:08:53,630
lines open again if someone wants to

1511
01:08:57,939 --> 01:08:55,519
call in that line that numbers up on the

1512
01:09:00,459 --> 01:08:57,949
screen and you're welcome to give a call

1513
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:00,469
yeah that was that was some really good

1514
01:09:06,189 --> 01:09:03,130
questions and that's why I like people

1515
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:06,199
calling in and in the chat room too

1516
01:09:09,609 --> 01:09:08,210
because uh I can't think of all the

1517
01:09:13,089 --> 01:09:09,619
questions and it's good to get someone

1518
01:09:15,849 --> 01:09:13,099
else's you know I wouldn't I would hate

1519
01:09:18,489 --> 01:09:15,859
to live in a world where everybody

1520
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:18,499
blamed everything that everybody said I

1521
01:09:24,519 --> 01:09:21,409
mean you have to ask questions you have

1522
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:24,529
to establish in your mind what happened

1523
01:09:29,950 --> 01:09:27,679
and go by the facts now like in my case

1524
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:29,960
I feel like it's enough facts to prove

1525
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:32,630
why did it happen you know it's not too

1526
01:09:37,930 --> 01:09:35,239
many people especially two people in a

1527
01:09:41,499 --> 01:09:37,940
row that can pass polygraph test more

1528
01:09:45,309 --> 01:09:41,509
stress test the test of time and all

1529
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:45,319
this and we have passed all that so you

1530
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:47,690
know I'm down enough proven I even told

1531
01:09:53,109 --> 01:09:49,630
Phillip one time before you know a

1532
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:53,119
polygraph you know don't mean nothing I

1533
01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:55,249
could pass that easy because I'm telling

1534
01:09:59,950 --> 01:09:56,030
the truth

1535
01:10:02,830 --> 01:09:59,960
right hey when just before the call we

1536
01:10:05,229 --> 01:10:02,840
were talking about people wanting you to

1537
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:05,239
do interviews right after this happened

1538
01:10:13,959 --> 01:10:07,369
so what how did how did that

1539
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:13,969
transgressive well I left and I left the

1540
01:10:21,009 --> 01:10:16,210
coast and I went back home to LA

1541
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:21,019
Mississippi and I fit it here not be

1542
01:10:24,669 --> 01:10:22,489
safe and kind of hid out there because

1543
01:10:28,029 --> 01:10:24,679
it was how bad it was three or four

1544
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:28,039
hundred media parked up at the shipyard

1545
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,050
trying to get to us and all we just had

1546
01:10:35,109 --> 01:10:32,719
to literally slip out they put us in

1547
01:10:38,979 --> 01:10:35,119
betray our and when they took us into

1548
01:10:42,669 --> 01:10:38,989
Keesler and on the hospital and now of

1549
01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:42,679
course the media was dead on us so when

1550
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:44,840
we come back I slipped and got my car

1551
01:10:48,729 --> 01:10:47,210
and me and Charlie got in it and I took

1552
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,739
him home and they hadn't found out where

1553
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:51,199
he lived by the end and I left and I

1554
01:10:56,529 --> 01:10:54,050
said well this is over we'll go back

1555
01:10:58,959 --> 01:10:56,539
when I got home there there was the

1556
01:11:01,390 --> 01:10:58,969
local TV stations was there trying to do

1557
01:11:03,490 --> 01:11:01,400
interviews and I tell them look

1558
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:03,500
want to talk about it right now would

1559
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:06,110
that get on the knees in that tail well

1560
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:08,030
we had an interview with mr. Parker this

1561
01:11:11,740 --> 01:11:09,710
is what do you say it and you know I

1562
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:11,750
wouldn't know mr. Parker Den it was I

1563
01:11:18,939 --> 01:11:16,489
was a 19 year old kid more or less and I

1564
01:11:21,729 --> 01:11:18,949
just didn't want to talk and then make

1565
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,739
up stuff and it wasn't just one MIDI

1566
01:11:26,530 --> 01:11:24,080
outlet it was several kind of know how

1567
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:26,540
Donald Trump feels now talk about that

1568
01:11:33,550 --> 01:11:31,250
fake news what about the skeptics how

1569
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:33,560
how did you handle that I mean was that

1570
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:35,570
with that that feel like a slap in the

1571
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:39,050
face to what you knew that happened no

1572
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:41,330
it didn't because I always appreciated

1573
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:42,890
them because sometimes they would bring

1574
01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:47,440
up some kind of all educated question

1575
01:11:52,959 --> 01:11:50,300
you know and that's like I always said

1576
01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:52,969
you'd have to be real narrow-minded not

1577
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:55,670
to think it's life on other planets look

1578
01:11:59,709 --> 01:11:57,710
at all the stars when you go out and

1579
01:12:01,959 --> 01:11:59,719
every one of them stars is a Sun and

1580
01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:01,969
this planet is probably revolving around

1581
01:12:07,870 --> 01:12:04,310
them so I don't think God just put us

1582
01:12:09,939 --> 01:12:07,880
here on earth so and we could be some

1583
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:09,949
kind of experiment from another planet I

1584
01:12:17,860 --> 01:12:12,050
might as put down here just to see how

1585
01:12:22,180 --> 01:12:17,870
we make it I don't that often I yeah I

1586
01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:22,190
still feel that maybe we just can't some

1587
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:25,400
kind of experiment and those two say we

1588
01:12:31,630 --> 01:12:28,880
can stand up to time down here so far

1589
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:31,640
we're not you mentioned earlier that you

1590
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:34,010
know the thoughts of really taking care

1591
01:12:40,419 --> 01:12:38,030
of the planet and which you know we

1592
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:40,429
really do have to you know ironically

1593
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:43,190
the planet will will survive and it's us

1594
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:46,250
that will be gone you know and exactly

1595
01:12:53,709 --> 01:12:50,870
right yeah so look it'll just evolve

1596
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:53,719
into something else happening look back

1597
01:12:59,290 --> 01:12:57,440
years ago when they started coming in

1598
01:13:01,419 --> 01:12:59,300
and they call it the Dust Bowl where

1599
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:01,429
they used to have in dust storms they

1600
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:03,110
started plowing the ground and doing

1601
01:13:07,930 --> 01:13:05,690
away with the vegetation and raping the

1602
01:13:10,090 --> 01:13:07,940
planted over there and it got it turned

1603
01:13:12,209 --> 01:13:10,100
to dust and it's just dust storms I

1604
01:13:14,169 --> 01:13:12,219
forget just where it was I think

1605
01:13:18,729 --> 01:13:14,179
Oklahoma or somewhere

1606
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:18,739
oh yeah yeah yeah there's yeah there's a

1607
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:20,090
documentary on that that's interesting

1608
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:24,260
so anyone can call in again the numbers

1609
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:25,640
up on the screen you're welcome to call

1610
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:30,230
in and ask Calvin a question so as time

1611
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:32,330
went on this happened you know quite a

1612
01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:34,310
few years ago I can't even count the

1613
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:37,719
years but 45 years is coming out I hope

1614
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,260
45 years ago so were there long

1615
01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:44,320
stretches of time where you actually

1616
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,510
didn't think about this or did you

1617
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:49,280
always think about it was it like always

1618
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,130
on your mind in the back you mind I

1619
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:53,600
would have to say it's not a day that

1620
01:14:00,090 --> 01:13:55,670
ever went by that I didn't think about

1621
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:00,100
it well how I tried not to and

1622
01:14:05,979 --> 01:14:03,500
especially I do a lot of night fishing

1623
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:05,989
and I go out at night and I kick back

1624
01:14:11,169 --> 01:14:08,510
and I look at the Stars and I look

1625
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:11,179
around to see if I see anything and I

1626
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:13,550
think about it pretty regular then yeah

1627
01:14:19,979 --> 01:14:16,850
have you ever like feared that you know

1628
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:19,989
how I don't know if you pay attention to

1629
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:22,550
what other people that are saying that

1630
01:14:28,959 --> 01:14:25,730
they have you know experiences abduction

1631
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:28,969
experiences but they often say that

1632
01:14:34,030 --> 01:14:31,370
there are abducted you know repeatedly

1633
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:34,040
have you worried that that at any time

1634
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:36,020
did you worry that that might happen to

1635
01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:40,010
you well stranger brought all that up

1636
01:14:47,979 --> 01:14:44,270
it's in the book back in the 90s I

1637
01:14:51,610 --> 01:14:47,989
forget what day - no I went fishing one

1638
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,620
night to the island and I was missing a

1639
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:54,560
good deal of time I was supposed to be

1640
01:14:59,169 --> 01:14:57,530
back home before dark and before I knew

1641
01:15:01,660 --> 01:14:59,179
it it was three o'clock in the morning

1642
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:01,670
and I had no clue to where I'd be in a

1643
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:03,530
and I had took me a little lunch I

1644
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:06,320
didn't he made my lunch or nothing so uh

1645
01:15:12,430 --> 01:15:09,290
that worried me and I got to thinking

1646
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,440
missing time and then I had heard Budd

1647
01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:14,480
Hopkins had written a book on missing

1648
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:17,630
time and that's why I went to see him he

1649
01:15:23,979 --> 01:15:21,199
was in town I believe it was West Palm

1650
01:15:26,220 --> 01:15:23,989
Beach no it was a camper or somewhere

1651
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:26,230
around that area that they had a

1652
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,920
conference

1653
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:29,840
so I persistently went to see Budd

1654
01:15:34,660 --> 01:15:32,390
Hopkins now I didn't want to speak at

1655
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:34,670
the conference and I didn't but I did

1656
01:15:40,419 --> 01:15:37,190
slip in there and I found Budd

1657
01:15:43,180 --> 01:15:40,429
I said but I need to talk to you and of

1658
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:43,190
course he knew who I was he said ok so

1659
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:45,530
when I get off when I get through here

1660
01:15:51,550 --> 01:15:48,050
tonight come to my room he gave me his

1661
01:15:54,189 --> 01:15:51,560
room number now so that night I just

1662
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:54,199
kind of eased out and then I left and

1663
01:15:59,470 --> 01:15:56,750
went to Bud's room and I took a witness

1664
01:16:02,560 --> 01:15:59,480
with me I took a friend of mine with me

1665
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:02,570
to make sure that everything was up to

1666
01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:05,840
and that's when bud I told him about the

1667
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:08,780
missing time and he talked to me about

1668
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:12,080
it and he had written a couple of books

1669
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:13,850
on it and they said well let me

1670
01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:15,710
hypnotize you so I agreed to go under

1671
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:18,949
hypnosis now I never believed I could be

1672
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,230
hypnotized honest to god I never thought

1673
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:24,560
I could be hypnotized well bud

1674
01:16:29,380 --> 01:16:26,780
hypnotized me then he put a post

1675
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:29,390
hypnotic suggestion in my head that I

1676
01:16:33,939 --> 01:16:31,070
wouldn't remember it until I got to

1677
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:33,949
where I could handle it well up until

1678
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:38,690
Philip the publisher of the book Philip

1679
01:16:47,229 --> 01:16:43,130
Mandel on metal he got ahold of the Budd

1680
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:47,239
Hopkins transcripts and Budd Hopkins

1681
01:16:52,959 --> 01:16:50,350
taped the original tape and he wrote

1682
01:16:54,430 --> 01:16:52,969
transcripts in the book about it and it

1683
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,440
was unbelievable I couldn't believe

1684
01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:56,000
somebody Wow

1685
01:17:01,419 --> 01:16:58,070
but the man that the man that was with

1686
01:17:03,790 --> 01:17:01,429
me had told me you know that man

1687
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:03,800
hypnotized you you was there and I

1688
01:17:11,050 --> 01:17:05,120
didn't believe him but he was a real

1689
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,060
incredible person yeah yeah we have a

1690
01:17:17,919 --> 01:17:13,520
caller in caller your first name where

1691
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:17,929
you calling from my name is Mike and

1692
01:17:21,610 --> 01:17:20,300
calling from Salt Lake City hi Mike

1693
01:17:24,150 --> 01:17:21,620
welcome to the show do you have a

1694
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:24,160
question for Calvin

1695
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:28,340
yeah idea I was just um I was wondering

1696
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:34,300
I'm not too familiar with the details of

1697
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:38,000
what happened to you but I was kind of

1698
01:17:50,370 --> 01:17:46,410
during the abduction if you remember the

1699
01:17:57,630 --> 01:17:50,380
individual beings having any kind of

1700
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,640
emotion like emotional that that is what

1701
01:18:03,840 --> 01:17:59,920
really good question I know what you

1702
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:03,850
mean yeah or if they were all kind of if

1703
01:18:07,950 --> 01:18:06,310
they were all just like flatlined kind

1704
01:18:09,660 --> 01:18:07,960
of no emotions or if you could sense

1705
01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:09,670
that one maybe had different emotions

1706
01:18:16,590 --> 01:18:12,880
from another or anything like that the

1707
01:18:18,690 --> 01:18:16,600
one that brought me again and I call him

1708
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:18,700
a soldier I don't know if he was or not

1709
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:21,730
or if it was a he but he had no emotions

1710
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:23,950
whatsoever it was just like he had a job

1711
01:18:28,590 --> 01:18:26,230
to do he did his job

1712
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:28,600
he brought me in he put me on the table

1713
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:32,170
exam table now the other being that come

1714
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:36,730
out I believe she had emotions and we

1715
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:38,680
could have had a good conversation that

1716
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:42,610
they hadn't been in a hurry so well yeah

1717
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:46,050
but any handful yeah like they were is

1718
01:18:50,820 --> 01:18:48,250
you feel like they were in a they were

1719
01:18:54,780 --> 01:18:50,830
in a hurry though they weren't that's

1720
01:18:56,220 --> 01:18:54,790
interesting they weren't taking their

1721
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:56,230
time with whatever they were doing it

1722
01:19:03,990 --> 01:18:59,760
was trying to get you in and out well

1723
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:04,000
they pretty much had a job to do I think

1724
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,920
like anybody else and you know like I

1725
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,480
say I don't know exactly how long we was

1726
01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:12,880
in I'm gonna guess 45 minutes but yeah

1727
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:14,500
that was pretty much in a hurry I don't

1728
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:17,110
know that was supposed to be somewhere

1729
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:19,210
get get through and get away before

1730
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:23,290
somebody drove up but we got in a big

1731
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:27,040
hurry after that I really wanted to talk

1732
01:19:32,370 --> 01:19:30,610
to her and she could Wow okay just one

1733
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:32,380
more just one more thing to kind of go

1734
01:19:39,570 --> 01:19:36,760
off of my first question um as far did

1735
01:19:43,710 --> 01:19:39,580
you feel like they were apprehensive

1736
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:43,720
racing towards your movements or if or I

1737
01:19:47,850 --> 01:19:45,310
don't know if you were even felt like

1738
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:47,860
you had control over maybe yourself or

1739
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:51,130
if you but did they feel that they feel

1740
01:19:53,820 --> 01:19:53,050
nervous to your reaction to what they

1741
01:19:55,620 --> 01:19:53,830
were doing or it's

1742
01:19:57,090 --> 01:19:55,630
like I'll go ahead and hang up and

1743
01:19:58,580 --> 01:19:57,100
listen to the rest after yeah thank you

1744
01:20:01,230 --> 01:19:58,590
guys thank you okay

1745
01:20:03,630 --> 01:20:01,240
though they didn't they didn't feel

1746
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:03,640
after I got their injection you know I

1747
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:06,610
couldn't really be apprehensive like

1748
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:09,370
that toward them but they didn't seem to

1749
01:20:14,370 --> 01:20:12,550
fear me at all not at all cuz I think

1750
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:14,380
they need you know there was nothing we

1751
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:16,330
could do I was laying there and I

1752
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:17,710
couldn't even turn my head to look

1753
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:21,250
around now what always Charlie you

1754
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:22,990
didn't mention anything about him having

1755
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:25,810
any type of possible country or anything

1756
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:28,750
did he feel also that he he couldn't do

1757
01:20:35,150 --> 01:20:30,930
anything

1758
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:35,160
hey he told me he you know that he just

1759
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:38,410
paralyzed more or less but you know we

1760
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:40,510
never talked about him having a punch or

1761
01:20:47,730 --> 01:20:45,540
anything like it so well

1762
01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:47,740
you know I don't know why I don't know

1763
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:49,480
anything about Charlie if you did he

1764
01:20:55,290 --> 01:20:52,210
took it to his grave yeah yeah

1765
01:21:02,730 --> 01:20:55,300
and so the lines open if anyone wants to

1766
01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:02,740
call in so as far as you would you say

1767
01:21:12,930 --> 01:21:08,680
when you were put back on the dock and

1768
01:21:14,820 --> 01:21:12,940
did you feel like could you describe the

1769
01:21:17,820 --> 01:21:14,830
sensation would it be like an all-over

1770
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:17,830
novocaine or something I mean how did

1771
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:19,960
your sensation come back slowly it was

1772
01:21:28,170 --> 01:21:24,790
an immediate no it was a I was standing

1773
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:28,180
out and wanted a set me down and he let

1774
01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:32,590
it go when this thing let go before he

1775
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:35,350
got back to the shop I was able you know

1776
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:37,810
I was pretty well ship I was pretty well

1777
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:40,870
freed up because I heard Charlie talking

1778
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:43,650
and that's when I turned around I

1779
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:46,510
worship you said you felt like

1780
01:21:50,130 --> 01:21:48,820
weightless and you were floated or I'm

1781
01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:50,140
putting words in your mouth you never

1782
01:21:55,140 --> 01:21:51,820
said you felt weightless but you said

1783
01:21:57,420 --> 01:21:55,150
you floated did you feel like you were

1784
01:21:58,740 --> 01:21:57,430
weightless and then when he let go of

1785
01:22:01,890 --> 01:21:58,750
you all of a sudden you had your body

1786
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:01,900
weight back yeah that's exactly the way

1787
01:22:06,510 --> 01:22:04,750
I felt when he lifted us up it you know

1788
01:22:07,530 --> 01:22:06,520
I don't know why I didn't break her arms

1789
01:22:11,010 --> 01:22:07,540
out for some

1790
01:22:14,670 --> 01:22:11,020
but uh it painless completely painless

1791
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:14,680
see we just kind of lifted up a couple

1792
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:16,510
of foot off the ground level haven't

1793
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:20,170
floated it was so and you would you say

1794
01:22:25,890 --> 01:22:22,030
you moved along fairly quickly or was it

1795
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:25,900
slowly it was quick really well I mean

1796
01:22:31,710 --> 01:22:28,450
hey was there had grabbed us like that

1797
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:31,720
and she just just a second we was in the

1798
01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:33,850
shield so the three hundred going into

1799
01:22:40,890 --> 01:22:37,660
whatever it was yes I'm pretty fast well

1800
01:22:43,860 --> 01:22:40,900
and and like a save it decide where this

1801
01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:43,870
was it was a lot of marsh grass a lot of

1802
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:46,420
trash throw that there now if we had

1803
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:48,070
walked over there it but it took a

1804
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:49,750
pretty good while to walk through all

1805
01:22:54,150 --> 01:22:52,450
that mess but the way we were going we

1806
01:22:58,440 --> 01:22:54,160
just glided right over the top of all

1807
01:23:00,600 --> 01:22:58,450
there if you look back on this now what

1808
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:00,610
would you think what would you think

1809
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,410
they wanted do you think they wanted to

1810
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:05,440
just examine the you know beings on this

1811
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:08,770
planet or dimension or whatever it is to

1812
01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:12,310
them to be honest I feel like they pick

1813
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:14,500
a certain group of people and they keep

1814
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:17,770
a noun and they moderate them and they

1815
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:18,910
might not even know they're being

1816
01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:22,810
monitored and I feel like I've always

1817
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:25,660
been kind of monitored really know like

1818
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:28,900
they've been around I have yes sir and

1819
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:32,650
is that a scary feeling to you it it is

1820
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:35,650
and what about you you mentioned you've

1821
01:23:40,890 --> 01:23:38,860
been married all this time has she ever

1822
01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:40,900
been affected by any of those feelings

1823
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:43,000
or anything of yours

1824
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:47,710
no we've never really I've tried to keep

1825
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:50,470
this out of the family she's she's never

1826
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:52,210
wanted to talk about it because she felt

1827
01:23:56,820 --> 01:23:55,360
like it bothered me and I never want to

1828
01:23:59,220 --> 01:23:56,830
talk about it because I didn't want to

1829
01:24:04,350 --> 01:23:59,230
talk about it and I hadn't talked to

1830
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:04,360
family friends or anybody about this so

1831
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,040
if that's the biggest reasonable yeah

1832
01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:11,920
and how does it feel talking about it

1833
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:14,830
now like right now does it does it get

1834
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:17,170
you all wound up or are you okay at this

1835
01:24:21,419 --> 01:24:19,810
point now I feel like to change been

1836
01:24:27,029 --> 01:24:21,429
pulled off so I'm

1837
01:24:31,229 --> 01:24:27,039
to talk well no I've decided to go ahead

1838
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,239
with the book actually Oh Philip and my

1839
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:33,760
wife talked me into this because you can

1840
01:24:40,020 --> 01:24:36,159
ask Philip I really didn't want to do it

1841
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:40,030
I was hard to get a hold of and then we

1842
01:24:44,540 --> 01:24:42,610
talked two or three times for us it

1843
01:24:48,089 --> 01:24:44,550
finally said yeah let's do it

1844
01:24:50,129 --> 01:24:48,099
so I wanted to document it well I

1845
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:50,139
wouldn't have to talk about it that much

1846
01:24:55,919 --> 01:24:54,070
anymore and that's why Philip kind of

1847
01:24:57,929 --> 01:24:55,929
said this is gonna be your legacy

1848
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:57,939
we're gonna put it in writing and it's

1849
01:25:03,989 --> 01:25:00,880
there you know what it is it's what it

1850
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:03,999
is I just want to talk briefly about the

1851
01:25:10,859 --> 01:25:07,329
connection to Philippa it just happened

1852
01:25:13,649 --> 01:25:10,869
that I looked on Facebook one day and I

1853
01:25:15,959 --> 01:25:13,659
saw him asking if anyone knew how to

1854
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:15,969
reach Calvin Parker the Pascagoula

1855
01:25:21,509 --> 01:25:18,670
incident and saw a message and said hey

1856
01:25:23,459 --> 01:25:21,519
Phil I actually do have his email

1857
01:25:25,410 --> 01:25:23,469
address let me email him and connected

1858
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:25,420
you guys than that I'm really glad it

1859
01:25:30,810 --> 01:25:27,010
seems like it worked out really well for

1860
01:25:33,179 --> 01:25:30,820
you it's been great and I have a hundred

1861
01:25:35,069 --> 01:25:33,189
percent trust for Philip that's

1862
01:25:38,729 --> 01:25:35,079
something I hadn't had for anybody you

1863
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:38,739
know except for family around here when

1864
01:25:44,009 --> 01:25:41,530
Philip told me he said oh when we

1865
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:44,019
started talking about this he said this

1866
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:47,170
is your legacy be honest with it put it

1867
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,050
down and let's get it out there and then

1868
01:25:53,819 --> 01:25:52,239
if anybody wants to know about if you

1869
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:53,829
don't want to talk about it no more you

1870
01:25:58,979 --> 01:25:56,170
don't have to then get the book and it's

1871
01:26:02,759 --> 01:25:58,989
in the book and everything's written but

1872
01:26:04,919 --> 01:26:02,769
I say now and you know it's a big book

1873
01:26:08,489 --> 01:26:04,929
and it's well done and it come together

1874
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:08,499
good the way Philip done it all hadn't

1875
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:10,510
been for him he wouldn't be able I know

1876
01:26:14,939 --> 01:26:13,030
I just jotted down a few little things

1877
01:26:18,449 --> 01:26:14,949
he said well send me what you have and

1878
01:26:20,969 --> 01:26:18,459
let me look at it and I got an email

1879
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:20,979
back to next morning and he said it's

1880
01:26:25,169 --> 01:26:22,570
quite a mess but we're doesn't

1881
01:26:25,739 --> 01:26:25,179
straighten it out I said yes sir you're

1882
01:26:30,929 --> 01:26:25,749
right

1883
01:26:34,339 --> 01:26:30,939
in there with me and we straighten it

1884
01:26:35,849 --> 01:26:34,349
out together so it's really our book I

1885
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:35,859
see

1886
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:38,320
I think the last time you and I

1887
01:26:42,899 --> 01:26:41,169
communicated I think you were talking

1888
01:26:47,939 --> 01:26:42,909
about the idea of writing a book weren't

1889
01:26:49,739 --> 01:26:47,949
you I had thought about it through the

1890
01:26:53,449 --> 01:26:49,749
years and that's because my wife was

1891
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:53,459
pushing it and to be honest with you

1892
01:26:59,099 --> 01:26:57,010
when I got talked into writing a book it

1893
01:27:02,609 --> 01:26:59,109
was actually one of her neighbors had

1894
01:27:04,889 --> 01:27:02,619
passed away whether it was an awake so

1895
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:04,899
well why was that the way that was

1896
01:27:10,319 --> 01:27:07,209
people from Texas and everywhere else

1897
01:27:12,779 --> 01:27:10,329
coming down and we couldn't even you

1898
01:27:14,729 --> 01:27:12,789
know though they wanted to talk to me

1899
01:27:17,549 --> 01:27:14,739
they see my name on the register in

1900
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:17,559
there and all of them asked if that was

1901
01:27:21,209 --> 01:27:19,570
me because there was a little older

1902
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:21,219
group you know most of the people that I

1903
01:27:26,369 --> 01:27:24,489
knew had died off them so they all

1904
01:27:28,379 --> 01:27:26,379
wanted an autograph and a picture being

1905
01:27:31,829 --> 01:27:28,389
taken and I didn't feel like that was

1906
01:27:34,579 --> 01:27:31,839
the place so I told my wife I said let's

1907
01:27:37,349 --> 01:27:34,589
let's get out of here and she said you

1908
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:37,359
ain't no rideable you owe these people a

1909
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:42,639
book and that way you know everybody's

1910
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:44,409
got it in soon that's that's how it

1911
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:47,320
first originally started and then

1912
01:27:52,889 --> 01:27:49,570
Phillip happened to contact at the right

1913
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:52,899
time and I still didn't want to do a

1914
01:27:58,169 --> 01:27:56,169
book course Charlie Charlie had written

1915
01:27:59,939 --> 01:27:58,179
a book you know right I didn't want

1916
01:28:01,349 --> 01:27:59,949
nothing to do with that book he come to

1917
01:28:02,909 --> 01:28:01,359
me said I'm gonna write this book

1918
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:02,919
whatever you like it or not I said

1919
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:04,510
suddenly I don't care

1920
01:28:10,319 --> 01:28:08,289
did you at least look no I never read it

1921
01:28:11,969 --> 01:28:10,329
Phillip sent me a copy and I have full

1922
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:11,979
intentions of sitting down and reading

1923
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:15,099
it one day but uh for I just glanced

1924
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:17,050
through it from what I seen it was a

1925
01:28:23,029 --> 01:28:18,729
pretty well written book it was pretty

1926
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:23,039
well documented and on the spot but um I

1927
01:28:26,819 --> 01:28:25,209
didn't want nothing to do with the book

1928
01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:26,829
when he come out because when you got

1929
01:28:31,919 --> 01:28:28,300
books you got something you don't want

1930
01:28:33,629 --> 01:28:31,929
this publicity but now you know now that

1931
01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:33,639
I'm talking about it I want to talk

1932
01:28:37,349 --> 01:28:34,989
about it I want to go I want to make

1933
01:28:39,899 --> 01:28:37,359
conferences I want to do books I want to

1934
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:39,909
talk to people I want to enjoy this

1935
01:28:44,250 --> 01:28:42,159
moment for a little while cuz when it's

1936
01:28:45,569 --> 01:28:44,260
all over said and done when I shut up

1937
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:45,579
about it that'll be it

1938
01:28:49,979 --> 01:28:47,440
it's a viable

1939
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:49,989
yeah yeah well I'm glad you're doing

1940
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:52,930
this this is good and I was really

1941
01:28:57,959 --> 01:28:55,449
honored to have you on the show when I

1942
01:29:00,180 --> 01:28:57,969
did years ago because you hadn't been on

1943
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:00,190
an interview for many years before that

1944
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:03,010
right no absolutely not

1945
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:06,880
the closest thing we came Charlie I had

1946
01:29:11,729 --> 01:29:08,770
a chance to go I believe it was dick

1947
01:29:14,580 --> 01:29:11,739
Cabot or or Michael Douglas or somebody

1948
01:29:17,939 --> 01:29:14,590
mm-hmm I forget just who it was so we

1949
01:29:19,620 --> 01:29:17,949
flew to Chicago and he asked me to go

1950
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:19,630
with Carolyn please you got to go with

1951
01:29:24,930 --> 01:29:22,480
him this you got to go there's somebody

1952
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,940
I want you to meet and I didn't know who

1953
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:27,280
wanted me to mate but uh Betty Hill was

1954
01:29:35,130 --> 01:29:32,650
there and I got to meet Betty hill and

1955
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:35,140
so when we left there instead of me

1956
01:29:40,979 --> 01:29:37,330
coming back to past burger with Charlie

1957
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:40,989
I went to New Hampshire with Betty hill

1958
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:43,570
and I spent four or five days and the

1959
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:46,510
reason I did there I wanted to talk to

1960
01:29:50,820 --> 01:29:48,190
her because I knew her and Barney had

1961
01:29:52,350 --> 01:29:50,830
been through a similar experience and I

1962
01:29:54,930 --> 01:29:52,360
wanted to find out everything I could

1963
01:29:58,140 --> 01:29:54,940
about it through her and how she's

1964
01:30:01,500 --> 01:29:58,150
dealing with it now and Betty even more

1965
01:30:04,770 --> 01:30:01,510
had more to deal with you know than what

1966
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:04,780
I did because back then interracial

1967
01:30:10,140 --> 01:30:07,570
marriage didn't go over though I mean

1968
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:10,150
people was really hard against that so

1969
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:12,910
she had that to deal with and then she

1970
01:30:18,030 --> 01:30:15,850
had her abduction to deal with and I

1971
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:18,040
really enjoyed my time wherever she was

1972
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:20,410
a down to her truth woman I mean I

1973
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:23,530
enjoyed her did she actually did it

1974
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:26,080
did she actually help you like deal with

1975
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,010
it better the situation she she did like

1976
01:30:34,350 --> 01:30:32,320
I said I stayed with her a few days you

1977
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:34,360
know we went up to a mountain somewhere

1978
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:38,699
and she showed me what she thought was

1979
01:30:44,610 --> 01:30:41,520
UFOs coming in and out now I never

1980
01:30:48,420 --> 01:30:44,620
actually seen one but she's seen more in

1981
01:30:51,450 --> 01:30:48,430
there but uh but she did show me a star

1982
01:30:52,979 --> 01:30:51,460
mount that she had got from him and I

1983
01:30:55,530 --> 01:30:52,989
think that ended up being a pretty

1984
01:30:58,880 --> 01:30:55,540
accurate mount yeah there's a little bit

1985
01:31:01,260 --> 01:30:58,890
of controversy about that but there but

1986
01:31:05,010 --> 01:31:01,270
but for the most part it seems the whole

1987
01:31:07,980 --> 01:31:05,020
but pretty well I think that was an

1988
01:31:12,030 --> 01:31:07,990
interesting situation but to me she

1989
01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:12,040
seemed real genuine yeah and then I was

1990
01:31:18,810 --> 01:31:14,470
doing a job in Houma Louisiana and this

1991
01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:18,820
so lady came up and said oh I got a got

1992
01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:21,100
to talk to you Kevin I don't know how

1993
01:31:24,510 --> 01:31:23,110
she knew me or she knew me from I said

1994
01:31:27,270 --> 01:31:24,520
well what do you need to talk to me

1995
01:31:30,090 --> 01:31:27,280
about she said there's somebody that

1996
01:31:33,420 --> 01:31:30,100
wants to meet you and who it actually

1997
01:31:36,990 --> 01:31:33,430
was suggested Carl Moore sail from

1998
01:31:40,230 --> 01:31:37,000
reeling to Roswell yes and hey he was on

1999
01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:40,240
his deathbed and he said I want to talk

2000
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:41,440
to you know I've been wanting to talk to

2001
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:42,070
you

2002
01:31:47,850 --> 01:31:45,100
because I followed this and before he

2003
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:47,860
died he said turning on his deathbed and

2004
01:31:52,980 --> 01:31:49,930
told me that that was true and I believe

2005
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:52,990
the man I mean every word he told me we

2006
01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:54,970
had a long conversation and I promised

2007
01:32:00,450 --> 01:31:57,640
I'd never mention it again but there's

2008
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:00,460
no doubt in my mind what he said was

2009
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:01,090
true

2010
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:04,780
and that's in the book too oh wow so

2011
01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:10,060
okay so 73 til now 45 years go by had

2012
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:12,460
you had I've talked to people like

2013
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:16,480
Travis Walton and you know never to

2014
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:18,730
actually never got a chance to talk to

2015
01:32:22,380 --> 01:32:19,060
Betty

2016
01:32:23,670 --> 01:32:22,390
but our you know Travis Walton said

2017
01:32:26,190 --> 01:32:23,680
there was a lot of times where he just

2018
01:32:30,030 --> 01:32:26,200
wanted to hide from this he wanted to

2019
01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:30,040
hide from his situation and and and try

2020
01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:31,720
not to deal with it for a while did you

2021
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:33,490
ever feel like that or did you always

2022
01:32:41,940 --> 01:32:35,820
just was it always part of your life

2023
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:41,950
well what no where to hide this if you

2024
01:32:46,050 --> 01:32:44,110
if you'll get the book and thumb through

2025
01:32:48,510 --> 01:32:46,060
and look at all the newspaper clippings

2026
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:48,520
that's another thing that Philip did he

2027
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:51,730
documented the press real good in the

2028
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:53,890
book if your thumb through there looked

2029
01:32:58,560 --> 01:32:56,290
it was just here in the United States it

2030
01:33:01,740 --> 01:32:58,570
was all over the world and back then

2031
01:33:04,620 --> 01:33:01,750
there what no one communication that

2032
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:04,630
much between different countries no but

2033
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:07,450
the papers come out and it was all over

2034
01:33:12,150 --> 01:33:09,250
so really there weren't nowhere to hide

2035
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:12,160
from it so you just had to do the best

2036
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:14,290
you could now I mentioned earlier I

2037
01:33:18,540 --> 01:33:14,630
asked

2038
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:18,550
skeptics and I saw where Phil class

2039
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:22,010
tried to attack the whole you know the

2040
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:24,530
whole thing are you familiar with that

2041
01:33:31,060 --> 01:33:27,110
did you actually speak with him yeah I

2042
01:33:33,460 --> 01:33:31,070
did I spoke with fill up and no I got my

2043
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,470
own opinion about Philip because you

2044
01:33:37,090 --> 01:33:35,120
know he could have asked educated

2045
01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:37,100
questions but there wasn't nothing to

2046
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:40,160
man said educated and he acted like a

2047
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,930
Pierce snob

2048
01:33:46,210 --> 01:33:44,000
you know he didn't really want to set on

2049
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:46,220
at all but I would have been glad to sit

2050
01:33:50,980 --> 01:33:48,410
down and talk to him and he's welcome to

2051
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:50,990
his opinion but I just don't didn't like

2052
01:33:59,980 --> 01:33:56,330
it yeah yeah he often times from what I

2053
01:34:03,090 --> 01:33:59,990
know he sort of had his mind made up in

2054
01:34:06,460 --> 01:34:03,100
the beginning already you know that

2055
01:34:10,990 --> 01:34:06,470
whatever the situation was it wasn't

2056
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:11,000
real right and that was fill a class

2057
01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:15,710
that dr. Hynek two days after this

2058
01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:18,200
happened dr. Hynek came down you know he

2059
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,020
was with Project Blue Book in a while so

2060
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:23,360
him and dr. Hajra come down and I got to

2061
01:34:27,790 --> 01:34:24,080
meet him

2062
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:27,800
and we spent some time together and he

2063
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:30,890
was a hundred percent convinced you know

2064
01:34:39,460 --> 01:34:36,650
he told me but that he's well I'm trying

2065
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:39,470
to think of the words he said he said if

2066
01:34:43,540 --> 01:34:42,050
these men are faking they need to be in

2067
01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:43,550
Hollywood because they are the best

2068
01:34:49,450 --> 01:34:45,940
actors I've ever seen

2069
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:49,460
that's he left that in the newspaper you

2070
01:34:54,910 --> 01:34:52,130
know and dr. hager tried to hypnotize me

2071
01:34:57,340 --> 01:34:54,920
and he couldn't hypnotize me he got me

2072
01:35:00,460 --> 01:34:57,350
in and I panicked and he brought me

2073
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:00,470
right back out so yeah yeah you have to

2074
01:35:06,340 --> 01:35:03,610
you know I don't know that much about

2075
01:35:07,810 --> 01:35:06,350
hypnotism but I know that if you're

2076
01:35:10,750 --> 01:35:07,820
unwilling you certainly can't be

2077
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:10,760
hypnotized that's for sure exactly right

2078
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:13,250
I never figured I can be hypnotized I

2079
01:35:18,820 --> 01:35:16,010
mean I was willing but I found out

2080
01:35:20,710 --> 01:35:18,830
different ten days they stuff that I

2081
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:20,720
didn't know for instance when Budd

2082
01:35:28,379 --> 01:35:25,450
Hopkins hypnotized me the case were in

2083
01:35:31,629 --> 01:35:28,389
73 there was a car

2084
01:35:33,250 --> 01:35:31,639
parked on a couple was parking in the

2085
01:35:36,459 --> 01:35:33,260
car making out or something

2086
01:35:39,279 --> 01:35:36,469
and I I called the tag number back and

2087
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:39,289
it's in the bull on the tapes I called

2088
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:42,409
the tag number back out of the car well

2089
01:35:47,889 --> 01:35:44,449
it was then described a car so that was

2090
01:35:50,979 --> 01:35:47,899
pretty style that is amazing yeah I mean

2091
01:35:52,989 --> 01:35:50,989
this they say that all your memories are

2092
01:35:55,089 --> 01:35:52,999
tucked away in little files in your

2093
01:35:57,939 --> 01:35:55,099
brain and can be pulled out I don't know

2094
01:35:59,319 --> 01:35:57,949
how accurate that is but but it is

2095
01:36:04,000 --> 01:35:59,329
interesting that you could actually know

2096
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:04,010
that well I believe it now I wouldn't

2097
01:36:08,889 --> 01:36:06,409
bleed it back in you know there was a

2098
01:36:11,619 --> 01:36:08,899
question and try it again the line is

2099
01:36:14,319 --> 01:36:11,629
open if anyone would like to call in you

2100
01:36:16,329 --> 01:36:14,329
are welcome to do that someone wanted to

2101
01:36:18,339 --> 01:36:16,339
know I believe you mentioned this

2102
01:36:21,009 --> 01:36:18,349
already they wanted to know the shape of

2103
01:36:23,259 --> 01:36:21,019
the craft and did it admit any noises or

2104
01:36:25,299 --> 01:36:23,269
visual oddities now I know you said that

2105
01:36:27,219 --> 01:36:25,309
there were can you describe the noise

2106
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:27,229
that you think it made there was like a

2107
01:36:33,309 --> 01:36:31,010
whizzing yeah it was kinda like I

2108
01:36:38,020 --> 01:36:33,319
described it when it first happened like

2109
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:38,030
as if like Zee's like ad and oh that's

2110
01:36:43,059 --> 01:36:40,030
more or less what he was I mean it was

2111
01:36:46,409 --> 01:36:43,069
it was a solid noise but a quiet noise

2112
01:36:48,939 --> 01:36:46,419
and it didn't last long enough to really

2113
01:36:51,449 --> 01:36:48,949
recognize it but I would recognize the

2114
01:36:54,489 --> 01:36:51,459
noise again I mean if I was surrounded

2115
01:36:56,919 --> 01:36:54,499
because it was scared you I'm sure I'm

2116
01:36:59,679 --> 01:36:56,929
sure what about when it was either

2117
01:37:01,989 --> 01:36:59,689
landing or taking off you didn't see any

2118
01:37:06,069 --> 01:37:01,999
type of flame or anything like that or

2119
01:37:08,619 --> 01:37:06,079
any way - no sir Colson none whatsoever

2120
01:37:10,139 --> 01:37:08,629
yeah and do you think it actually landed

2121
01:37:14,199 --> 01:37:10,149
on the ground like there could have been

2122
01:37:19,139 --> 01:37:14,209
some landmarks or anything it that it

2123
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:19,149
definitely Denton because I didn't see

2124
01:37:25,839 --> 01:37:22,249
any kind of landing legs and I think it

2125
01:37:28,089 --> 01:37:25,849
Hubbard I'm almost 100% sure at Hobart

2126
01:37:31,899 --> 01:37:28,099
uh about two foot off the ground

2127
01:37:34,089 --> 01:37:31,909
hmm and of course we didn't have much

2128
01:37:35,619 --> 01:37:34,099
time to study it you know they snatches

2129
01:37:39,219 --> 01:37:35,629
off the riverbank took us aboard

2130
01:37:41,409 --> 01:37:39,229
examined us and put us back out we

2131
01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:41,419
turned around looked and it was gone

2132
01:37:44,770 --> 01:37:43,369
so you know other than the time we was

2133
01:37:48,939 --> 01:37:44,780
in there we didn't have time to really

2134
01:37:52,149 --> 01:37:48,949
study the whole lot yeah I'm so you know

2135
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,159
I mean I know you said you were relaxed

2136
01:37:56,620 --> 01:37:54,800
but at any point in time did you think

2137
01:37:59,439 --> 01:37:56,630
that they were just going to take off

2138
01:37:59,979 --> 01:37:59,449
with you in the in the ship or whatever

2139
01:38:03,189 --> 01:37:59,989
it was

2140
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:03,199
oh I crossed my mind now Tom I was in

2141
01:38:08,919 --> 01:38:06,169
there yeah well no when they picked us

2142
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,929
up don't take his in I was thinking the

2143
01:38:13,779 --> 01:38:10,880
whole time oh this is it we're not

2144
01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:13,789
coming back and I thought Charlie was

2145
01:38:18,429 --> 01:38:15,679
more or less thinking the same thing if

2146
01:38:20,139 --> 01:38:18,439
he'd been honest with it now when they

2147
01:38:22,509 --> 01:38:20,149
actually lead you on the table as you

2148
01:38:27,250 --> 01:38:22,519
said did you feel your body weight at

2149
01:38:32,139 --> 01:38:27,260
that time no I didn't feel the table it

2150
01:38:34,989 --> 01:38:32,149
was like he I'm sure it had to be a

2151
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:34,999
table that he laid this back and was

2152
01:38:41,169 --> 01:38:37,280
kind of at a 45-degree angle

2153
01:38:44,169 --> 01:38:41,179
but you know that little deal that was

2154
01:38:46,679 --> 01:38:44,179
circling my head it was just going

2155
01:38:49,239 --> 01:38:46,689
around and it wasn't no table to stop it

2156
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:49,249
but I could hear it when he got to the

2157
01:38:54,969 --> 01:38:52,610
back of my head clinking so you know

2158
01:38:57,459 --> 01:38:54,979
even my head was off the table or or

2159
01:39:00,969 --> 01:38:57,469
there wasn't a table there it was just

2160
01:39:05,709 --> 01:39:00,979
kind of we was like floating floating

2161
01:39:08,020 --> 01:39:05,719
yes did you actually see Charlie while

2162
01:39:11,739 --> 01:39:08,030
you were together on the on the crowd

2163
01:39:15,819 --> 01:39:11,749
did I did not i look for charlie but

2164
01:39:17,169 --> 01:39:15,829
then again i couldn't turn my head about

2165
01:39:20,679 --> 01:39:17,179
the rise do you think you could turn

2166
01:39:24,219 --> 01:39:20,689
your eyes oh I I could turn my eyes I'm

2167
01:39:26,979 --> 01:39:24,229
not tried and I would do that and I look

2168
01:39:31,810 --> 01:39:26,989
over to try to say well if it was the

2169
01:39:33,549 --> 01:39:31,820
door that she came out of or he and you

2170
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:33,559
know you really could I didn't really

2171
01:39:38,469 --> 01:39:35,449
see a door did she come out of but I

2172
01:39:38,850 --> 01:39:38,479
same one that what I call the big ugly

2173
01:39:43,179 --> 01:39:38,860
one

2174
01:39:46,089 --> 01:39:43,189
went out and it came back in like it's a

2175
01:39:49,449 --> 01:39:46,099
door inside the craft you mean yes sir

2176
01:39:56,380 --> 01:39:49,459
yeah it didn't open her clothes he just

2177
01:39:58,630 --> 01:39:56,390
look like it stayed open yeah and and so

2178
01:40:00,760 --> 01:39:58,640
if I were to picture the inside of some

2179
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:00,770
type of crafty you would expect to see

2180
01:40:07,890 --> 01:40:04,270
some type of operation centers you know

2181
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:07,900
any type of other like weird-looking

2182
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:11,650
places for them to sit or rest or

2183
01:40:16,930 --> 01:40:14,810
anything identifiable you mentioned that

2184
01:40:19,300 --> 01:40:16,940
there was Windows could you actually see

2185
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:19,310
out the window once you're in I know you

2186
01:40:23,230 --> 01:40:21,290
said you can't turn your head but if you

2187
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:23,240
could tell lies you see the windows from

2188
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:26,090
the inside now that was one thing I

2189
01:40:31,630 --> 01:40:28,970
could see from the outside it look like

2190
01:40:34,420 --> 01:40:31,640
two little windows up from it but I

2191
01:40:36,700 --> 01:40:34,430
couldn't see any windows I couldn't see

2192
01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:36,710
any command center or anything and then

2193
01:40:44,770 --> 01:40:40,070
look just like a no room of course I the

2194
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:44,780
room was small and on Charlie said they

2195
01:40:52,540 --> 01:40:47,810
took him in a different place over there

2196
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:52,550
so I didn't see no no way to drive it or

2197
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:54,650
nothing else I don't know I have no clue

2198
01:40:59,260 --> 01:40:56,480
just that little room when I was in and

2199
01:41:01,440 --> 01:40:59,270
a little hallway now what about the

2200
01:41:05,700 --> 01:41:01,450
comparison of your story in' and

2201
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:05,710
Charlie's story is it pretty much

2202
01:41:12,010 --> 01:41:08,570
basically the same you said that he

2203
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:12,020
noticed the the points on you noticed

2204
01:41:17,740 --> 01:41:14,570
the limit the mitten type of thing the

2205
01:41:20,350 --> 01:41:17,750
claw whatever and here's the points on

2206
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:20,360
the face you know the nose and the two

2207
01:41:24,130 --> 01:41:23,450
ears or whatever they were what are some

2208
01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:24,140
other things

2209
01:41:27,610 --> 01:41:25,790
did you notice some things that he

2210
01:41:31,780 --> 01:41:27,620
didn't did you compare notes more or

2211
01:41:32,910 --> 01:41:31,790
less now we really didn't hear you the

2212
01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:32,920
next day at work

2213
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:37,430
he described the facial features and

2214
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:40,610
they had a artist there and he tried to

2215
01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:42,650
draw them the best that Charlie had

2216
01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:46,190
described him and he turned around the

2217
01:41:49,810 --> 01:41:48,260
artist hung around asked me I said well

2218
01:41:54,010 --> 01:41:49,820
I really didn't see no and it was all

2219
01:41:56,050 --> 01:41:54,020
blur and then the hands I believe I'm

2220
01:41:59,500 --> 01:41:56,060
the one who described the hands to it

2221
01:42:02,230 --> 01:41:59,510
and we both did notice one thing about

2222
01:42:05,470 --> 01:42:02,240
the legs you could tell it look like a

2223
01:42:07,690 --> 01:42:05,480
separation for the legs but it wasn't no

2224
01:42:09,069 --> 01:42:07,700
legs I mean that was just together you

2225
01:42:13,089 --> 01:42:09,079
couldn't see air to him

2226
01:42:18,219 --> 01:42:13,099
anything and more or less what no feet

2227
01:42:22,089 --> 01:42:18,229
no so it was like like stumps sort of

2228
01:42:24,250 --> 01:42:22,099
but like a tree trunks and that's about

2229
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:24,260
it except they didn't spray and I just

2230
01:42:28,869 --> 01:42:26,570
floated and when it that's why I'm feel

2231
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:28,879
like this thing was mechanical I know

2232
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:30,320
you said you didn't really see the face

2233
01:42:34,299 --> 01:42:32,449
but do you know if Charlie it looked

2234
01:42:35,739 --> 01:42:34,309
like in the drawings I saw like a slit

2235
01:42:39,759 --> 01:42:35,749
for the mouth is that what Charlie

2236
01:42:41,919 --> 01:42:39,769
remembered that's what he described that

2237
01:42:44,889 --> 01:42:41,929
day we was talking to Larry Flint

2238
01:42:48,250 --> 01:42:44,899
together drew it yeah yes sir because he

2239
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,260
told tall he told Larry he said they

2240
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:50,239
just had a slit there but I didn't see a

2241
01:42:57,250 --> 01:42:54,530
mouth now when you were saying that you

2242
01:43:00,279 --> 01:42:57,260
heard possible communication between

2243
01:43:02,250 --> 01:43:00,289
them and it was a I think you described

2244
01:43:05,379 --> 01:43:02,260
it as like there's something like that

2245
01:43:06,699 --> 01:43:05,389
yes that was that really audible or was

2246
01:43:11,459 --> 01:43:06,709
that just barrel you could just barely

2247
01:43:13,899 --> 01:43:11,469
hear something it was a pretty audible

2248
01:43:16,929 --> 01:43:13,909
but you could tell it was just between

2249
01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:16,939
them too and I you know I couldn't

2250
01:43:21,849 --> 01:43:19,249
understand that but I could understand

2251
01:43:23,729 --> 01:43:21,859
her thoughts I know she was

2252
01:43:27,310 --> 01:43:23,739
communicating with me through thoughts

2253
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:27,320
and besides telling you what to do do

2254
01:43:35,469 --> 01:43:31,129
you do you remember any other any other

2255
01:43:40,509 --> 01:43:35,479
thoughts that that came over I don't

2256
01:43:44,349 --> 01:43:40,519
know sir she just told me you know not

2257
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:44,359
to be afraid and of course you don't

2258
01:43:49,209 --> 01:43:47,209
tell a little redneck country boy not to

2259
01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:49,219
be afraid if you got us trapped in her

2260
01:43:56,020 --> 01:43:53,260
to a table yeah but anyhow that that was

2261
01:43:59,739 --> 01:43:56,030
the message that I had gotten from her

2262
01:44:02,049 --> 01:43:59,749
don't be afraid now this is a question I

2263
01:44:04,889 --> 01:44:02,059
asked Travis Walton I'd like to have you

2264
01:44:09,219 --> 01:44:04,899
answer if you could go back in time and

2265
01:44:11,169 --> 01:44:09,229
have this not happen what would you do

2266
01:44:13,599 --> 01:44:11,179
would you do that or do you think that

2267
01:44:18,129 --> 01:44:13,609
was meant to be and this is the way it

2268
01:44:20,919 --> 01:44:18,139
is I think I think your life that God

2269
01:44:22,660 --> 01:44:20,929
has a plan for everybody and I think

2270
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:22,670
this was part of his plan

2271
01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:26,690
and for some reason for me to be

2272
01:44:33,370 --> 01:44:31,400
abducted and taken aboard and I you know

2273
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:33,380
that was part of his plan so I'd have to

2274
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:36,560
say yeah I'd go back again well that's

2275
01:44:41,229 --> 01:44:37,250
amazing

2276
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:41,239
there's a reason for I don't know why I

2277
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:43,190
don't know why yet but it's definitely a

2278
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:46,310
reason part we mentioned earlier that

2279
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:49,690
over the years you felt like you may be

2280
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:53,330
possibly being monitored can you is it

2281
01:44:57,250 --> 01:44:54,320
just a feeling

2282
01:44:59,919 --> 01:44:57,260
or is it stronger than that did anything

2283
01:45:03,040 --> 01:44:59,929
make you feel that way by something

2284
01:45:05,500 --> 01:45:03,050
happening well it's kind of like he

2285
01:45:09,070 --> 01:45:05,510
described Charlie got on the stage at

2286
01:45:14,650 --> 01:45:09,080
times there's times that break out into

2287
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:14,660
a chill and a sweat and it's just hard

2288
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:20,719
to do hard to describe and then you know

2289
01:45:26,770 --> 01:45:24,410
you get physically sick and weak and I

2290
01:45:29,729 --> 01:45:26,780
feel like there's times that they

2291
01:45:32,590 --> 01:45:29,739
probably trying to communicate to N or I

2292
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:32,600
think to be honest I believe they pull

2293
01:45:39,790 --> 01:45:35,210
in information themself I really do feel

2294
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:39,800
actually smart enough that oh we they

2295
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,690
know what we're doing and what we think

2296
01:45:46,270 --> 01:45:43,760
and what we've been through my health

2297
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:46,280
I've had a stroke and two open heart

2298
01:45:52,570 --> 01:45:50,719
surgeries and I should have died and you

2299
01:45:54,130 --> 01:45:52,580
know I didn't and I feel like they know

2300
01:45:57,310 --> 01:45:54,140
all about that and they're getting

2301
01:45:59,950 --> 01:45:57,320
information from it and it's kind of

2302
01:46:01,900 --> 01:45:59,960
like I told Phillip I wanted or somebody

2303
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:01,910
the other day I had a reporter come up

2304
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:06,170
from wlo X news he said what do you want

2305
01:46:11,620 --> 01:46:08,690
this book I said look I've got an

2306
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:11,630
expiration date stamped on my head and

2307
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:14,449
before I before I expired I wanted to

2308
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:16,610
get it after and get it documented I owe

2309
01:46:23,310 --> 01:46:19,730
the people especially in Jackson County

2310
01:46:28,750 --> 01:46:23,320
this and the people my family you know

2311
01:46:30,100 --> 01:46:28,760
yeah wow that's that's great if chase I

2312
01:46:34,660 --> 01:46:30,110
had a question and then something just

2313
01:46:34,670 --> 01:46:38,290
I'm sorry I hate when that happens

2314
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:41,170
so we only have a couple minutes I'm

2315
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:43,550
gonna say that we have like three

2316
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:45,280
minutes left or something like that if

2317
01:46:50,770 --> 01:46:47,570
if someone wants to make a last minute

2318
01:46:52,210 --> 01:46:50,780
call of that number just went away asked

2319
01:46:56,590 --> 01:46:52,220
asked for it to go away but that number

2320
01:46:59,080 --> 01:46:56,600
603 960 7403 Oh if someone wants to make

2321
01:47:00,400 --> 01:46:59,090
a last minute call but otherwise we're

2322
01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:00,410
going to be closing the show in just a

2323
01:47:05,860 --> 01:47:04,310
couple of minutes so I like your message

2324
01:47:09,250 --> 01:47:05,870
I like the fact that you want to get

2325
01:47:13,620 --> 01:47:09,260
this out there and yeah we have three

2326
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:13,630
minutes left so what would you say to

2327
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:17,690
the person that you have you ever tried

2328
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:20,480
to convince someone or you just let them

2329
01:47:25,090 --> 01:47:22,730
have their own opinion if someone says

2330
01:47:27,490 --> 01:47:25,100
you know it's not you you know what how

2331
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:27,500
I let them have their own opinion I

2332
01:47:35,410 --> 01:47:31,130
would suggest to anybody that had doubt

2333
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:35,420
so by the book look at it read it don't

2334
01:47:39,190 --> 01:47:37,610
skip through it read it and then make

2335
01:47:41,050 --> 01:47:39,200
your mind up when you get to the end

2336
01:47:48,300 --> 01:47:41,060
they can get the book through the lemmas

2337
01:47:52,330 --> 01:47:48,310
on and pass Pegula the closest encounter

2338
01:47:54,370 --> 01:47:52,340
you know my story Calvin Parker and then

2339
01:47:57,550 --> 01:47:54,380
get that through Amazon buy that book

2340
01:48:00,760 --> 01:47:57,560
read it and then make ya'll mount up to

2341
01:48:02,620 --> 01:48:00,770
the end but you at least you know get

2342
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:02,630
the facts together for you go jumping

2343
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:04,850
conclusions yes I plan on reading the

2344
01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:07,010
book I can't wait to read it and I'm

2345
01:48:12,130 --> 01:48:09,800
actually going to ask you to sign a copy

2346
01:48:13,450 --> 01:48:12,140
so I'll send you off and got a big right

2347
01:48:17,380 --> 01:48:13,460
yeah yes sir

2348
01:48:19,450 --> 01:48:17,390
love to have that so we're just about at

2349
01:48:22,690 --> 01:48:19,460
the end of the show so I'm really

2350
01:48:26,590 --> 01:48:22,700
honored that you came back and I hope

2351
01:48:29,050 --> 01:48:26,600
that you do have a lot of really good

2352
01:48:31,450 --> 01:48:29,060
speaking engagements and as we mentioned

2353
01:48:33,190 --> 01:48:31,460
earlier I know you were listening to the

2354
01:48:35,980 --> 01:48:33,200
news when we were talking that it's a

2355
01:48:37,870 --> 01:48:35,990
different world than it was just last

2356
01:48:41,380 --> 01:48:37,880
year like more people are taking this

2357
01:48:43,810 --> 01:48:41,390
seriously so yeah we'll show the book on

2358
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:43,820
but for YouTube people more people

2359
01:48:48,500 --> 01:48:47,570
taking this whole situation seriously so

2360
01:48:52,970 --> 01:48:48,510
your timing couldn't

2361
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:52,980
be better really oh great but uh I've

2362
01:48:56,959 --> 01:48:55,170
been Jordan maybe sooner or later you

2363
01:49:00,140 --> 01:48:56,969
can have me back we can talk about what

2364
01:49:03,140 --> 01:49:00,150
I was happening between yes

2365
01:49:07,819 --> 01:49:03,150
I thought that would be I would always

2366
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:07,829
love to have you back on Calvin and I am

2367
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:10,500
actually very interested in how you know

2368
01:49:15,049 --> 01:49:12,510
through the years how things have have

2369
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:15,059
affected your life and all that so it's

2370
01:49:19,819 --> 01:49:16,860
been really great and my honor to have

2371
01:49:21,649 --> 01:49:19,829
you thanks so much thank you and it's

2372
01:49:23,330 --> 01:49:21,659
been an honor being here and thank

2373
01:49:25,850 --> 01:49:23,340
everybody just listened today

2374
01:49:26,959 --> 01:49:25,860
very good all right you take care and

2375
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:26,969
I'll talk to you soon

2376
01:49:35,290 --> 01:49:30,570
you too buddy all right okay everyone so

2377
01:49:39,020 --> 01:49:35,300
next week we have Charlotte man on and

2378
01:49:41,779 --> 01:49:39,030
Charlotte had she was it was actually

2379
01:49:44,839 --> 01:49:41,789
her her great-grandfather

2380
01:49:46,669 --> 01:49:44,849
this was a incident if you look up

2381
01:49:49,009 --> 01:49:46,679
Charlotte man I'm just trying to

2382
01:49:51,859 --> 01:49:49,019
remember the name of it going off the

2383
01:49:56,689 --> 01:49:51,869
cuff here but anyway I wanted to talk

2384
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:56,699
about this because the show I had I

2385
01:50:03,500 --> 01:50:00,239
think was about a month ago or so she

2386
01:50:06,830 --> 01:50:03,510
actually called into the show and she

2387
01:50:09,709 --> 01:50:06,840
said you have something about Oh as a

2388
01:50:11,149 --> 01:50:09,719
grandfather yes I'm sorry you have

2389
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:11,159
something on your website about my

2390
01:50:15,259 --> 01:50:12,510
grandfather and there's some things that

2391
01:50:17,149 --> 01:50:15,269
are inaccurate I had no idea what she

2392
01:50:21,049 --> 01:50:17,159
was talking about and this was during

2393
01:50:24,740 --> 01:50:21,059
World War Two in the spring of 1941 this

2394
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:24,750
was a crash and I'm just trying to see

2395
01:50:33,470 --> 01:50:29,280
exactly where it was located is a very

2396
01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:33,480
very famous of Missouri and there were

2397
01:50:39,740 --> 01:50:37,139
these supposed strange beings that her

2398
01:50:43,069 --> 01:50:39,750
grandfather examined and all that and so

2399
01:50:44,359 --> 01:50:43,079
anyway she will be on she hasn't done an

2400
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:44,369
interview in a long time she's going to

2401
01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:46,530
be on next week so looking forward to

2402
01:50:49,759 --> 01:50:46,980
that

2403
01:50:52,729 --> 01:50:49,769
so everyone thank you so much for

2404
01:50:56,359 --> 01:50:52,739
listening and we'll be back next week